Why do people have such an aversion to conspiracy theories? , page 1
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Topic started on 20-3-2010 @ 07:46 PM by Frankidealist35
I don't get it. I understand why people have an aversion to mega-conspiracy theories like the ones about people who control the world, and the Annukai, etc. But I don't get why people have such an aversion to real conspiracy theories like COINTELPRO, and, how the police monitors and provokes peace groups into violence.

I was on my way to an anti-war rally and I was talking to a tea-partier. The tea-party person was saying that they generally were less violent than anti-war group protesters. She smeared anti-war protesters saying that they were marxists and they disrespected property so that's why they acted out in violence. I had to explain to her that the tea-party movement was still young, and, I had to explain to her all about COINTELPRO and about Agent Provaketeurs. She thought that I was just talking about conspiracy theories, and, she thought I should avoid them.

But then she said that there were Soviets spies in the peace groups, and, it's after this admission that I said that's my point. She just couldn't understand why the government or the police would actively instigate these people to violence. I was saying that there was a reason to- otherwise she wouldn't be doing it. And we know that this stuff is real... but she kept on treating it like a conspiracy theory, until, I had explained it in its fullest detail.

I also explained to her the conspiracy theory about cops in black boots posing as peace group protesters. She couldn't understand why that police would want to pretend as protesters when they weren't. I said they did it during the G20 meetings and the G8. They do it because they want to arrest protesters, and, cut the movement down. She couldn't understand that... even though seemed to have half-admitted that they did things like that during the Cold War.

My question is- why do people have such an aversion to these conspiracy theories, even though they're real? People know that cops spy and try to instigate protesters. So why don't people admit that it's more than just a conspiracy theory? I felt like I was talking to a brick-wall most of the time.

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reply posted on 20-3-2010 @ 10:10 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by Oneolddude


It's quite well known that the government instigated anti-war groups during the cold war to get the soviet spies to turn themselves in. They've also caused violence at political rallies. I mean, it's documented fact. It's something real- not nominal.



reply posted on 20-3-2010 @ 10:19 PM by XXXN3O
reply to post by Frankidealist35


The people I speak to do not have an aversion to conspiracies. They did at first, but I wrote a list of things that would happen in the next decade at the eve of the millenium for the froup of people present (in a sealed envelope). Major terrorist attack on American soil (911), stock exchange collapse, attack on UK soil, Iraq war, rise in earthquakes, worldwide financial bubble etc.

I wrote this in a letter for all 20 people that were there in my home at the millenium dawn.

All of them are now aware of the truth of the matter, they asked and the got it. Theres now a whole band of people in my area that are aware of the things going on, also the people are now prepared for it as well as can be.

First step, switch off the tv. From there, anything is possible.

I am now a Christian and I say that loosely, because the term christian has become a pornograhers signature name these days. Any Christian should know what I mean by that.

There are still people who, despite reading the exact things predicted that have now happened, will not believe it and have accepted it as coincidence. How can anyone blame anyone else for thinking that?

Education system, employment system, government speeches, financial education etc. I am tempted to say it is nobodies fault but it is everybodies own fault because they listened to their blood.

The truth is hard to take, does not mean it is not true, the whole conspiracy game is just a game of trip up in the end after all.



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reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 12:21 AM by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by Frankidealist35


Because, these are people, who want to believe they can change Washington D.C., without those bastards in power, doing something to stop them, Agent Provocateurs and all.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Conspiracy Theory

Conspiracy theory is a term that originally was a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal or political conspiracy.

However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators.

Conspiracy theories are viewed with skepticism by the scientific community and academia, and often ridiculed by pundits, because they are rarely supported by any convincing evidence and contrast with institutional analysis, which focuses on people's collective behavior in publicly known institutions, as recorded in scholarly material and mainstream media reports, to explain historical or current events, rather than speculate on the motives and actions of secretive coalitions of individuals.

The term is therefore often used dismissively in an attempt to characterize a belief as outlandishly false and held by a person judged to be a crank or a group confined to the lunatic fringe.

Such characterization is often the subject of dispute due to its possible unfairness and inaccuracy.

In the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries, conspiracy theories have become commonplace in mass media.

This has contributed to conspiracism emerging as a cultural phenomenon and the possible replacement of democracy by conspiracy as the dominant paradigm of political action in the public mind.

According to anthropologists Todd Sanders and Harry G. West, "evidence suggests that a broad cross section of Americans today…gives credence to at least some conspiracy theories."

Belief in conspiracy theories has therefore become a topic of interest for sociologists, psychologists and experts in folklore.


The basic belief of those non-conspiracy theorist's, those we often call sheeple, is that Government is run by our voting, and that anything else is just politics in action, and that people like Agent Provocateurs do not exist.

This is of course, a false premise, because they do exist, many people have caught them.

And they are easy to spot, easy to stop, and as well easy to take care of legally.

You just have to think like an Agent Provocateur, or at least know how to think, period.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Agent Provocateurs

Traditionally, an agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent(s)") is a person employed by the police or other entity to act undercover to entice or provoke another person to commit an illegal act.

More generally, the term may refer to a person or group that seeks to discredit or harm another by provoking them to commit a wrong or rash action.


British Agent Provocateurs Caught Operating In Basra


Just Because You're Paranoid, Doesn't Mean They Aren't Out To Get You...

The basic problem is, is because people do not want to believe their Government, would act in any way contrary to the way they believe Government should act.

The problem with idealism, is it can be such that it goes into a state of denial, for those people who want to believe, at any costs, even to their own detriment, that people who speak of those conspiracy theorists are just a bunch of fringe lunatics, because if they succumb to this way of thinking, then they will to, become one of those "fringe lunatics", therefore nuts.

This comes from the sense of a wanting to belong to a group, but not to the wrong group, the outcasts, societal speaking those shunned for knowing something not fully accepted by the mainstream thinking, that Government can do wrong.

It fits completely into the context that they see anything but Conservative or Democrat, as nothing more than a fringe belief, and therefore it is not acceptable.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

If you look to just how much of a taboo of speaking negatively about Government, used to be, under people like Hoover, you might understand more how it is uncommon in this day and age, because people still remember Hoover, the paranoid F.B.I. director, and what he was willing to do to smash "un-patriotic" Americans.

Blackmail : Keep Your Friends Close, Keep Your Enemies Closer, The Threat of Subversion Through Fear

So, in essence, these people are almost blackmailing themselves, via societal beliefs.

By making themselves conform to a standard belief and denying themselves free-thinking, they are in essence maintaining their own imprisonment.

Mentally speaking, of course, self-imprisonment into the machine, a cog within a machine.

Which Is It, "Conspiracy Theory", or "Conspiracy Fact"?

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