I found this YouTube video :
WTC7 in 7 Minutes - 9/11 Explosions not Fire
when reading this post :
Which is btw quite an interesting recent forum for us, long time ATS 911 researchers.
It seems to be a nesting place for former JREF members who got seriously disgusted by the vitriolic 911 JREF forum atmosphere, as most of their new
members there admit in several posts.
I find it offering good, solid opinion on most intriguing 911 subjects.
It's revealing to find many former JREF members there, those who in my opinion always were mostly interested in the 911 historical truth, instead of
the hardcore JREF'ers who seem to think that JREF is mainly a debating club between like-minded spirits.
One of the least expected to find there was Dr. Greening, well known for the older ATS members for his first 911 aftermath-years opinions on the fire
and pancaking theories floating around then. He later admitted on-line publicly that his first opinions were not reflecting the most logical events
He now specifically explains to have no intention to ever return to the "snakepit" that the JREF 911 forum has developed into.
We all were intrigued from day one on, that the famous phone-boot video hit YouTube, about the question where that phone boot was situated, and at
what time that loud explosion sound was heard.
I once indicated here, to try to find a better, sharper copy of that video, since there are two people wearing wrist watches, clearly to be seen in
the start of the footage.
One is the very strange acting INS guy with the four-knotted handkerchief on his head, as the first in view, holding the phone; and the other is the
NYFD fireman who is shortly in sight, also wearing a watch.
Btw, that same INS guy was interviewed later on by a reporter on the street, where he basically already molded the later touted official collapse
That second interview appearance of the same INS guy is also to be found on YouTube or any other video channel site.
And for sure remembered as linked here on ATS also.
As I said before, that guy should give an explanation why the only thing on his mind was to keep those firemen at that phone boot, while they said
they needed to go to the WTC7, where they said the explosion sound seemed to originate from.
Even just before the explosion shook everyone in sight, except him
(as if he knew it was coming!), he kept asking them to assure his mother he
was alright, which sounded quite ridiculous since he had her on the line as he said himself, and in light of his later demanding them to phone
themselfs home first, before running around that nearby corner, back just two blocks to the WTC7.
And from that corner they could have seen any eventual white explosion smoke emitting from the lower WTC7 floors.
In other words, he definitely was frantically finding ways to distract those firemen and to keep them at that phone boot for at least a few more
minutes, so they would not run to that corner only a few tenths of meters away.
Look at the map screen shot further on, to see exactly what I mean.
In the video you see clearly how near that corner with W.Broadway was, when the camera man turns to that corner after the loud sound.
We spent quite some time and posts on that phone boot explosion sound subject, and I'm sure a helpful soul will link us to the overall consensus at
ATS about the true time stamp of that phone boot explosion-sound event.
Analyzing the sun shadows
, now that we know exactly where that phone boot is situated, can clear up the time of the day that the explosion took
There is someone at this ATS forum, who already did an impressive job of analyzing the Pentagon CITCO shadows, by using a sophisticated astronomy
program, found by him on-line, for his telescope brand name, which gave him the exact sun azimuths, longitudes and latitudes etcetera, of the times
and places of that historical 11 Sept 2001 day.
It would be intriguing to see, if that time stamp could cover the time frame explained by both Mr Hess and the now deceased Mr Jennings, who had been
in the two, then already totally emptied by personnel, WTC7 OEM (Office of Emergency Management) floors and who were on their way back down, about the
moment they got thrown back upstairs on floor 8 inside the stairway of WTC7 in the morning hours by a huge explosion, as Mr Jennings told us. He also
told us he ended up hanging by his hands on the handrail while the stair itself was broken away and collapsed downwards. He managed to climb back on
the landing portal, and had to wait with Mr Hess to be rescued, much later, by some NYFD men.
Which means that quite some stairways portions were collapsed. And those stairs were in the center portion of the WTC7 building, so no chance at all
that debris from the WTC1 collapse (the second one) could have caused that stairwell collapse.
Mr Jennings did explain to the Loose Change interviewers in his last public interview, quite clearly that he thinks that explosion inside the WTC7
when he hung to that hand rail, was probably before the South and surely before later the North Towers collapsed.
South Tower (2) collapsed at 09:59:04 AM (acc. to NIST)
North Tower (1) collapsed at 10:28:31 AM (acc. to NIST), top leaned at 10:20.
The North tower was hit by the first plane much higher (94th-98th floors) than the second plane hit the South Tower (77th-85th floors), and that's
why the South Tower collapsed first, according to the official explanation. The top portion of the South Tower was thus much heavier and weighted more
down on the hit and burning, thus heated floors, the officials tell us.
Here are some screen shots from this excellent YouTube video :
Picture of Corner Gourmet at Murray Street with phoneboot to the left of it :
KABOOOOM ! :
"Seven's exploding!" :
Police US INS guy's T-shirt :
It would be nice to have someone post a link to this INS guy's second video, of his street interview, I know someone ever posted its link in this ATS
Thanks in advance for the trouble to find it.
And I like posts from Truthers and Trusters alike, since, as I said many times before, there's no real discussion without civil debate from both
And in my humble opinion, those two group names have no negative aspects to them, as they indicate exactly and comprehensive, what each proponent
I really hope decorum will return to this forum, that's why I decided to return to posting here again, after I gave up hope it would ever be possible
I have faith the moderators will stand for their own words.
Let's make it the best balanced forum on the net, again.