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posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 01:00 AM
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A Fair Catalog of Contrasting Positions, Oddities and Other Hypocrisies Associated with Today's Republicanism

1. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you are millionaire conservative radio jock, which makes it an "illness" and needs our prayers for your "recovery".

2. You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all on their own.

3. You have to believe that the US should get out of the UN, and that our highest national priority is enforcing UN resolutions against Iraq.

4. You believe that government should stay out of people's lives but it needs to punish anyone caught having private sex with the "wrong" gender.

5. You believe that pollution is ok, so long as it makes a profit.

6. You believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.

7. "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India.

8. You believe woman cannot be trusted with decisions about her own body, but large multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

9. It’s required you believe you love Jesus and Jesus loves you. And Jesus shares your hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and Hillary Clinton.

10. You hate the ACLU for representing convicted felons, but they owed it to the country to bail out Oliver North.

11. You believe the best way to encourage military morale is to praise the troops overseas while cutting their VA benefits.

12. You believe group sex and drug use are degenerate sins that can only be purged by running for governor of California as a Republican.

13. You believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex.

14. You believe the best way to fight terrorism is to alienate our allies and then demand their cooperation and money.

15. You believe that government medicine is wrong and that HMO's and insurance companies only have your best interests at heart.

16. You believe providing health care to all Iraqis is sound government policy but providing health care to all Americans is socialism personified.

17. You tobacco's link to cancer and global warming are "junk science", but Creationism should be taught in schools.

18. You believe waging war with no exit strategy was wrong in Vietnam but right in Iraq.

19. You believe Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney was doing business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

20. Government should restrict itself to only the powers named in the Constitution, which includes banning gay marriages and censoring the internet.

21. You believe the public has a right to know about the adulterous affairs of Democrats, while those of Republicans are a "private matter".

22. You believe the public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades but that Bush was right to censor those 28 pages from the Congressional 9/11 report because you just can't handle the truth.

23. You support state rights, which means Ashcroft telling, states what locally, passed voter initiatives he will allow them to have.

24. You believe what Clinton did in the 1960's is of vital national interest but what Bush did decades later is "stale news" and "irrelevant".

25. You believe trade with Cuba is wrong because it is communist, but trading with China and Vietnam is dandy.

pnews.org...





posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 01:48 AM
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A nice mixture of lack of understanding and twisting of facts. Not funny, not informative, no "critical thinking", just a lot of misconceptions and ignorant statements about that which they know little about.

All in all, I give that site a 2.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 02:00 AM
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Wow hit the republican idealology dead on.... very informative, very funny, and most of all... pretty much true.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 03:10 AM
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Amusing but full of generalizations...
obviously penned by a democrat....



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by specialasianX
Wow hit the republican idealology dead on.... very informative, very funny, and most of all... pretty much true.


While it was kind of funny, I don't think it's as true as you think it is. I could go point for point, but there's no purpose.

It's just a joke.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 10:41 AM
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1. Unfortunately, I think there is a lot of this in this country nowadays. We all seem to give an awful lot of pity to people that have done wrong things.

2. What about those priveleged from birth that go on to fail?

3. Don't think so.

4. I don't see gay men and women going to prison camps - did they start that, or did I miss something?

5. I think this one does hit home for some republicans. Toom many big business lobbies.

6. And democrats believe in no Buddha, no Allah, and no God in school. Isn't it funny how in our great way of not offending anyone, we have alienated the vast majority of our students?

7. This is another big problem, I agree.

8. What about women that have had 4 and 5 abortions and use it as a form of birth control? When does abortion stop becoming a choice and start becoming murder? When is it too late to have an abortion, or does it ever get too late? Let me ask you this: have you ever had kids? When my wife told me she was pregnant the first time, I knew we had created life. The child didn't suddenly come alive when she came out - she came alive when she was conceived. Maybe I'll get flamed for that, but that's my opinion. If you don't agree with that, then you will have to agree with this: when you can hear a heartbeat through the ultrasound, the child inside is ALIVE.

9. Sorry, I've never felt that way. Jesus dined with the outcasts of the day - lepers, tax collectors, prostitutes, etc... If he were here today, he would dine with the outcasts of today's society in an effort to "bring them into the fold".

10. I don't really know much about this, so I will reserve judgment.

11. Or, if you're a democrat, raise their taxes so they think they're getting all of those benefits while paying through the nose for other things.

12. Or for PRESIDENT (see Bill Clinton).

13. No, but it's basically like saying, "Here - if you're going to do it, then at least let us give you something to keep it somewhat safe". While we do that, why don't we make sure that all of our teens on drugs have clean needles? Let them give those out also. Sorry, but I still think education and abstinence are our best line of defense. Tell them that if they are going to do it anyway, a trip to Wal-Mart will hook them up.

14. This instead of giving secrets away to our not-so-friendly acquaintences (see China - Clinton).

15. Would the government have only our best interests at heart? Canada's system seems so great to us, but I have spoken with many Canadians that will speak otherwise of their program.

16. The situation in Iraq is comepletely different. Generalizing like that is not a good way to raise a point there.

17. Sorry, you're speaking of the extreme side there, not the majority.

18. I didn't hear you bitch about that a year ago...

19. I don't think Saddam was ever a good guy. I think he was better at the time than Khomenei in Iran, but times change and situations change.

20. Or, if you're a demcrat, government should take over everything - television, newspapers, etc... WAIT - they already have - well, at least the liberal side has.

21. I believe that if you hold public office, then everything you do is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.

22. Can anyone say NAtional security here? Sorry, but I don't think Hillary's cattle had a whole lot to do with national security.

23. You're bending the truth again - not enough time to thoroughly refute this, but again - another liberal slant...

24. I think they were both improtant. I just think it's funny that the media was sure to sweep Clinton's pot smoking under the rug, while Bush getting a DUI was blown up for all to see.

25. I think we should do a little more with Cuba - punishing the people there for Castro is old.

Anyone else care to comment? There's my two cents...



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 10:42 AM
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I don't think it's as true as you think it is.
Well, this is the political mudpit and I'm interested in what you'd like to dispute. Just name a point you disagree with and why.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
A nice mixture of lack of understanding and twisting of facts. Not funny, not informative, no "critical thinking", just a lot of misconceptions and ignorant statements about that which they know little about.


Ya...............what he said



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 11:41 AM
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And that's why you hear that loud vacum suck as the former Republicans run out of the room, across the hall and into the Libertarian camp.
McCain gets on Kerry's ticket, and all you'll have left is the Fundie Fanatics who want everyone to find JAAAYZUUS & pray for GW Shrub!



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 11:49 AM
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Harvey Rosetti is quite informative when he so chooses to be, but in the above list/article, half-truths make for truth?


Side note:
BT, I noticed you been hammering this McCain line for quite some time. Question:
Is having McCain on the Kerry ticket the 'last best hope' of the slowly submerging Democrat party in taking back the White House? Prayers to "JAAAYZUUS" are quite handy, for both parties, isn't it?




seekerof



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 12:01 PM
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as someone who labeled himself as a republican years ago there is a reason (or fifty) why i stopped calling myself a republican.

there is this stereotype that ALL republicans are heartless emotionless bible thumping hypocrites and blah blah blah. i've seen the same done to democrats and i'm sure many a democrat felt embarassed over the stereotyping by using certain politicians behavior and actions to paint a whole gropup of people with the same brush. the truth is there are those in both camps who act hypocritically. however, their actions and words do not speak for everyone on their side and judging all republicans or democrats based on the actions of a few is pretty ignorant.

i could go over every point the original poster put in his post and refute them but i'd refuting ignorant points from an ignorant POV made by a person with an obvious bias and for me to do so would be pretty pointless.

seems pretty apparent those who think these "rules" are true will believe this no matter what and those who dont...well they just wont.

thanks for bringing us more ignorance. i choose to deny it, others choose to embrace it.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 12:14 PM
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Seek: If the Democratic Party is sinking, then the extension of that ratio would hold that the Republican party has grown GILLS!?!?

Kerry is winning, in a non-Diebold election, hands down, whomever he chooses. I honestly would like to see McCain because it will be the bipartisan diplomacy needed to repair the country after the Rove/Bush/Cheney crime family's policy of divide & conquer.

I know it's satirical in genesis, but I challenge you, Venus or TC to show where it's wrong?
Do you think that Cheney would go on Tavis Smiley's show if he were busted for drugs? Do you honestly feel that FORTUNATE SON would have gotten anywhere or done anything if his last name was Crowne & grew up in Alabama? You honestly believe that the rampant & wholesale repeal of environmental law in favor of corporate interests ( which had the historic resignation of not only the Head of the EPA but it's top Directors as well ) is worth the price? You honestly believe that "Old Europe" piss on their shoes arrogance & exclusion on any of the profit phase of reconstruction will get the needed funds & soldiers to help us out? You honestly believe that it's not political when Bush caters to the Florida Cuban vote in demonizing Castro's Cuba, at the expense of US Agro-Business which has a multi-billion untouched market closer to ship to than many states?

I can go item by item, but it is just in fun after all, no?

Ignorance is denying satirical lampoon; it's served as an under the radar call to political action since the world had the first presses.....in times that carried severe retribution for speaking out against the regime....kind of like now.
But I guess Arnold on film gangbanging skanks & smoking joints were illustrative of Republican core values all along?



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 12:26 PM
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as quoted by BT
Kerry is winning, in a non-Diebold election, hands down, whomever he chooses


Really?
Care to provide your unbiased sources and pollings to show this assertion as fact?
From what I am seeing BT, projections are showing that between the current if a vote was held today "red and blue" states, Bush would hold a substantial sway in electorial votes.....but then again, as you left the door open, electorial votes are "non-Diebold" or are they?



seekerof



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Sterling46
Well, this is the political mudpit and I'm interested in what you'd like to dispute. Just name a point you disagree with and why.


It's not so much a point per se that I'd like to dispute. The fact that this list stakes claims on Republicans (which I am NOT one BTW) to things that politicians do.

Political action does not always come from support. Case in point. I voted for Bush in 2000. While I voted for him based on his platform, he did many things in discord with with his election platform.

I did not supprt those things because I voted for him.

While the analagy is not completely linear, it does make a good point. Republicans, while many are bible thumping hypocrites, are not the whole as this list would imply.

I don't dislike the ACLU for the reason stated, but because of what they have become. This also does not negate their contribution to worthy causes.

So through the mess my post has become (not quite as streamlined as it seemed when I started), I think you'll get my point.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 01:11 PM
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So many dems want McCain on the ticket.


Right now, I think he is an OK guy, seems to stick to his word and does what he thinks is right.

A short while ago, Colmes asked him, if Kerry offered him the VP, would he accept? McCain said absolutely not. Colmes pressured him...well what passes for pressure from Colmes. McCain reiterated NO. Colmes then asked, if you were offered any position in a Kerry administration, would you accept. McCain said no, he would not accept any position in a Kerry administration. He went on to state that he thinks he can do the most good for the country in his current position. He also stated his wifes' health as a primary concern to him.

So if he changes his position and accepts the VP nomination from Kerry, he will lose every bit of credibility he has. BUT...the flip-flop in position would make him an ideal partner for Kerry.


That loud sucking sound, BTW, is the dems frantically searching for a candidate that would give some semblance of credibility to their ticket.



[Edited on 2-6-2004 by jsobecky]



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by gmcnulty
A Fair Catalog of Contrasting Positions, Oddities and Other Hypocrisies Associated with Today's Republicanism

1. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you are millionaire conservative radio jock, which makes it an "illness" and needs our prayers for your "recovery".
Rush was being attacked for his prescription drug problem, when a democrat judge had the same problem, but because he hated rush he thought it was ok... This is a double standard. The typical liberal " what I do in my own spare time is nobody's business, but if this guy is doing the same thing as me it's not so he should get his ass handed to him". This is the so typical, and you are part of this hypocrisy....
2. You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all on their own.
Actually no, the belief is that those who achieve success do so because they work hard, are self reliant, responsible, and don't blame the boogeyman as an excuse for being lazy and incompetant ....
3. You have to believe that the US should get out of the UN, and that our highest national priority is enforcing UN resolutions against Iraq.
Seemings how the UN is mostly funded by the US and the UN has become corrupt with total slime balls at the top, why should the US stay in it... I'm not sure about the GOP's stance on this, but mine is what I just mentioned... The UN has been known to play too nice , allow themselves to be manipulated, tricked, and humiliated because they don't do their jobs... Hmmmm I wonder why... I can only think of some of these scum in bed with the enemy and/or getting kickbacks.
4. You believe that government should stay out of people's lives but it needs to punish anyone caught having private sex with the "wrong" gender.
I'm assuming you have no education or insight on the UNITED STATES HISTORICAL TRADITIONS AND THAT THIS COUNTRY IS BASED OF CHRISTIAN VALUES. The GOP stands firm on their stance on homosexuality, this country isn't based on liberal athiest/agnostic values...
5. You believe that pollution is ok, so long as it makes a profit.
bull# again... Nice spin to fit your bitter ideas, pollution is never ok, but if it's so terrible why don't you do something about instead of bitching about conservatives think it's ok........ Pollution has been an ongoing thing since the industrialized revolution. Bush could be putting more effort in but he's not really a tree hugger, he doesn't speak for all republicans, and for you to come out of the wood work putting a slant like this on all republican ideas is wrong. Your wanting to be right so bad is getting in the way of seeing things fair and balanced...which is what all liberals are suffering from in this day in age..

6. You believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.
Again moron, this country is based off of christian values, they believe in god... on the back of the fiat money it reads "in god we trust" not "in allah we trust" or "in buddah we trust" ......... So yeah your right, this country does only pray to god... it's a historic tradition.......
Do you actually see the Islamic religions saying ok we have people here who believe in god, we'll start a law that says it's ok for them to pray to god in the classrooms... no they would kill us.... Same if a buddist were to wish to practice their faith..............GOD, YOUR SUCH A #ING MORON!! [/B]

7. "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India.
[B] yEAH, AND HEINZ KERRY DOESN'T HAVE ANY KETCHUP PLANTS WORLDWIDE RIGHT??? BUUUULLL #!!! This has been going on before Bush got in office....... Free trade baby.... This isn't just a republican thing... Open your eyes...


8. You believe woman cannot be trusted with decisions about her own body, but large multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
When a woman has the option of adoption over murder why won't she take it?? She would rather kill her baby then give it away because she wouldn't want to have to see her baby cuz then she'd want it... Which is a selfish idea. The law was trying to be pushed through because in the second trimester the fetus is more a baby and the baby then has feelings... about 12% of abortions in us are done while the woman is in her second trimester, a puncture to the skull or sucking body piece out after piece happens during the second trimester, when the baby has feelngs at that time, which is murder... That was the thing trying to be outlawed because it is murder.. The whole abortion thing wasn't trying to be outlawed just this sickening and gruesome act....

9. It’s required you believe you love Jesus and Jesus loves you. And Jesus shares your hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and Hillary Clinton.
What??? This is just asinine. Now your getting silly.. Actually your whole post is silly and full of twisted logic because you don't really have a clue...
10. You hate the ACLU for representing convicted felons, but they owed it to the country to bail out Oliver North. Yeah and the ACLU wants the cross taken off the california flaf, but they don't have a problem with Islamic people praying over loud speakers affecting the neighbours who aren't Islamic. Again it's the double standard and hypocritical bull# that totally blows their arguments out of the water, you can't have it one way and not the other...
Again it's all about checks and balances , something the liberal party is trying to take away from America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Ok, i'm sick of responding to your bull# comments, your just as bitter and filthy as your discusting double standard liberal desperado's.... Keep twisting your words and letting people see who you guys really are.
Hypocritical ninnies who don't have a leg to stand on.....
It only makes the gop look better... And makes you guys look dazed and confused, must be that crack pipe you guys are smoking because your ideas and logic are the equivalent to a cracked out hooker walking down the street with her shirt open twirling around on barefeet singing to the little green men in the trees. Totally gone, totally out to lunch.......... Totally funny and makes you guys look totally stupid...



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 02:53 PM
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Thank you all, who took the time to reply - A very interesting cross section of opinions, if I might say.

The construct of this “List”, obviously in a form other then a Republican viewpoint, is a blend of perceptions any open and inquiring mind might find intellectual dissonance with and requiring further investigation.

The post is a satirical presentation, in the spirit of “A Modest Proposal An essay by Jonathan Swift, often called a masterpiece of irony.

The full title of Swift’s classic work is “A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Children of the Poor People in Ireland from Being a Burden to Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to Their Public.” For those who may have not read it. Swift emphasizes the terrible poverty of eighteenth-century Ireland by ironically proposing that Irish parents earn money by selling their children as food for the rich English landed gentry.

Satire is defined in the dictionary as:
1.
a. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
b. The branch of literature constituting such works. See synonyms at caricature.
2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.
Satire provides emotional release for the frustrations some feel from everyday social interaction. Its presentation is, by design, meant to be “SHOCKING” to some; an EYE OPENER to others; and an affirmation of the PERCEPTION of REALITY for those akin to the author’s beliefs.

Satire is very much like propaganda e.g. the precise data and the way of making the reader feel that this is nothing but the truth and everything you’ve heard earlier has just been lies, but with one fundamental difference. To reach the opposite effect towards the readers, that is to make them see how wrong something is even though you are not, directly, saying that it is wrong.

The key is to have a feeling of picking the right words and setting up the right picture for the reader, so that one can see the injustice and the evil in the situation described in “A Modest Proposal”. But there is a thin line between what is right and what is wrong, even though your name is Jonathan Swift. They say Swift went mad at the end, nobody for sure knows why, but we can all have our opinions.

Unfortunately, its purpose is often misread by supporters on both sides of the issue. The satirical intent of A Modest Proposal was misunderstood by many of Swift's peers, and he was harshly criticized for writing prose in such exceptionally "bad taste." I seem to recall, but have no citation in support - when first published – the Irish of Dublin rioted for a few days.

See:
art-bin.com...
www.du.edu...
www.marxist.net...
www.freeessays.cc...


My presentation of the “List” was purposeful and designed as a reminder of the many important issues on either side of the political spectrum in the USA today. The style of presentation, which so often stokes the fires of emotion drowning out reason, is offered to this unique community of thinkers, in the spirit and support of the community’s stated goals.

There was a time in American political history when liberal-conservative, Democrat-Republican agreed to “respect each others right to disagree”; and in hold differing, yet respected positions, helped support an atmosphere of tolerance. Within that setting, opposing sides could listen, consider, and deliberate in their mutual search for compromise.

The element of compromise was a calculated addition to the Constitution by the Founding Fathers. It leveled the playing field, so to speak, permitted slow change and guaranteed some of the needs of both being met. ( I will not list the components to support this assertion but leave it as a subject of further consideration.)

Compromise is often viewed, by the politically ignorant and those unaware of American political foundations, as failure of principle or “a sellout” of belief. And today it seems to have become the common currency of political commerce. This “principled obstinacy” has resulted in government grid lock, few of any needs being met, and a colossal polarization of the citizenry, as never seem before in recent American history. The posting of the “List” and the reaction to it, in some small way demonstrates the polarization of today’s political climate.

Some where we took a turn and lost our way. I would suggest now is the time to stop and reassess our direction; and men of good-will – without looking to place blame – redirect us on the path which leads back to where we once were – as one people: Americans.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 02:55 PM
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Seek: Nothing I have at my finger tips except remembering some of the latest poll numbers & observation.
Kerry has, wisely, laid low & let the shiit storm blow, with Un-Curious George playing the role of a weather vane. Also in that time frame, Bush has gotten ads on the air, the majority of which are negative, at a rate of 4 to 1. I also remember seeing that polls sans Nader had the D & R candidates tied.
Polls reflecting the above could give you hope, but logically, once he starts campaigning & advirtising in earnest, it'll be Kerry all over the lead.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 03:45 PM
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...once he starts campaigning & advirtising in earnest, it'll be Kerry all over the lead.



Why don't we just wait and see on that? Something tells me that Kerry is about to have a few problems when campaigning gets hot and heavy.

I can accept whichever person the American people vote. Can you?

Talk all the smack you want, say whatever you like, but when November comes around, be prepared to eat crow or move to Canada. The way you bash Bush every chance you get, you may as well go up north if GW wins.

I have not made a decision yet on whom to vote for, but I get really sick of Bush-bashers that seem to make it their sport of the day to bash the president. I will try not to bash either candidate - I will try to vote on the issues at hand and on whom I think would be the best leader OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 03:55 PM
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I'm glad you'll accept whomever is voted in. Bush Bashers are a pretty large group made up of Former Republicans like myself, current Republican, Libertarians, Greens and Democrats of every stripe.
To have accepted Bush as the GOP nominee was wrong. To accept how he was awarded the presidency was even worse; so why would I accept him as president now?



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