Here is something I wanted to hear your thoughts on. Consider this scenario and tell us how you would deal with it.

Let's say you are an apple. You're surrounded by other apples.You all share a commonality, which is that your mental plane is in 2D.In other words, your perception is in 2D.

Over the past several months of vibrational meditation, (either as a result of your vibrational conscious energies going at right angles to itself..) you became aware of your 3 Dimensional body.

Now, you can't actually SEE this dimension, but you can feel that you have a top and bottom. You begin to slowly understand the entire science of your 2D existence. The mysteries of shape shifting or vanishing apples is immediately understood. You can even feel the energy field that restricts some of your 2D movement. You understand how to vanish and reappear.

You have no control over this 3D realm yet. You were born into the 2D plain. So you can not directly manipulate this 3D universe.

While relearning your new existence you stumble on a method to "speak" to your higher 3D self. It is this "voice" that tells you everything you need to know about the 3D universe. However, since you are limited to 2D language and energies, you can only get symbolic and vague words to help you along the way.
Maybe you put these words into a book and call it the Bible, where millions of people will debate the silliness of the phraseology used when it has no application to the 2D world.

Now, let's say you logged onto a Forum board like ATS and stated to it's members, "I have seen the beyond and understand everything about our universe."

naturally, you will be asked to provide proof of this so called 3D world.


How would you provide it? Using that same logic, how can you prove to the 3D minds, that you have seen the 4th dimension. 5th....6th...7th........?

Remember, you only have "physical" control over your OWN plain of existence. So you can not move up or down in a 2D world. Only the 3D body can, a 3D body can only be controlled by a 3D conscience

I have a few answers of my own, but I am mostly interested in turning the tables on all the skeptics out there who seem to enjoy destroying and discrediting people who fail to provide proof

So let's see how good you can handle it..

Cheers!





[edit on 19-3-2010 by manbird12000]

I don't think it would be provable under those circumstances. Imagine this example. Suppose everyone was blind. You discover a way to see, but only for short times with deep concentration. Now, try proving the concept of color to a blind world.

The problem is that you would have no common concept with which to compare. You can see a red ball and a green ball, you can see that they are different, but you don't really understand why one looks different than the other. You just know that they are. The people you are trying to convince don't even know there is a difference. You can observe the phenomenon, but you have no frame of reference to communicate the experience. The people you're trying to convince have no concept that relates to your experience.

Now, try telling them about a mirror.

This brings me to another interesting question. How can one control their higher selves? We all know it is possible to raise our conscience upwards, but how do we command it? does it command us and all we are doing is getting in the way of our "destiny" ?

Maybe "control" isn't the right concept. Do you control your eyes or do you interact with them. You can focus your eyes on an object, like the eight ball in a high stakes pool game, but it's at least as important to let your eyes make you aware of something you're not focusing on, like the beer bottle coming for your head. It's more interaction than control.

Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
Maybe "control" isn't the right concept. Do you control your eyes or do you interact with them. You can focus your eyes on an object, like the eight ball in a high stakes pool game, but it's at least as important to let your eyes make you aware of something you're not focusing on, like the beer bottle coming for your head. It's more interaction than control.

I think I understand what you are saying, and I agree with your analogy. I was thinking more on the lines of manipulate. Like the way you can move your 3rd dimensional body at will using your mind. Can we also "move" our 4th dimensional selves using our 3rd dimensional mind as well?

I know that we can experience the conscience of our higher selves, I am beginning to believe that we might be able to manipulate our higher bodies. If only we knew what that body could do. It would have to be an act of will since our physical 3rd dimensional bodies would not be able to manipulate 4D. Rather..visa versa...

hmmmm......

Theres no such thing as a 2 dementional apple.

There is a reason we share experainces.... some die and some grow. Many people have created extreme expectation and fantasy. There may be a horrible shock for those who fall victim to these fantasys and refuse to let go of them with their own power.

Technology and its rapid expansion are squeezing the life out of the ignorant. Many times in stressfull survival situations people stick with an illogical tactic to their deaths.....

Originally posted by manbird12000

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This is why I made the Apple Analogy. Every living thing has within it an infinite number of lower and higher dimensional selves. The focal point of that beings energy has to be focused on one of these dimensions.

How do we know that there is an infinite number of dimensions. could the fact that we focus in the third dimension mean that there is an even number of dimensions above and below three. Meaning is there only 5 dimensions?

Just some an idea.