What Obama care will do for you, page 1
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reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 08:27 PM by bluemooone2
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ummmm... ur not serious? this has been well discussed and if you have been keeping up on this you wouldn't make this comment . god dude


reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 08:56 PM by chorizo4
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You forgot to add... free abortions!

Also, they will probably piss off all the money they collect for it on some new war.


reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 09:03 PM by jam321
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Parents will be able to keep their children on their insurance till age 26.

No longer will people be dropped coverage for a health condition.

No longer wlll people be denied health insurance because of pre-conditions.


Amigo, Do you know if the healthcare bill limits premium increase on the examples you gave?


reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 10:29 PM by Graybeard
Here's a good analysis from Jane Hamsher of Fire Dog Lake. After the text, there is a myth/truth table. It's also listed in PDF form.

Real health care reform is the thing we’ve fought for from the start. It is desperately needed. But this bill falls short on many levels, and hurts many people more than it helps.

A middle class family of four making $66,370 will be forced to pay $5,243 per year for insurance. After basic necessities, this leaves them with $8,307 in discretionary income — out of which they would have to cover clothing, credit card and other debt, child care and education costs, in addition to $5,882 in annual out-of-pocket medical expenses for which families will be responsible. Many families who are already struggling to get by would be better off saving the $5,243 in insurance costs and paying their medical expenses directly, rather than being forced to by coverage they can’t afford the co-pays on.

In addition, there is already a booming movement across the country to challenge the mandate. Thirty-three states already have bills moving through their houses, and the Idaho governor was the first to sign it into law yesterday. In Virginia it passed through both a Democratic House and Senate, and the governor will sign it soon. It will be on the ballot in Arizona in 2010, and is headed in that direction for many more. Republican senators like Dick Lugar are already asking their state attorney generals to challenge it. There are two GOP think tanks actively helping states in their efforts, and there is a booming messaging infrastructure that covers it beat-by-beat.

Whether Steny Hoyer believes the legality of the bill will prevail in court or not is moot, it could easily become the “gay marriage” of 2010, with one key difference: there will be no one on the other side passionately opposing it. The GOP is preparing to use it as a massive turn-out vehicle, and it not only threatens representatives in states like Florida, Colorado and Ohio where these challenges will likely be on the ballot — it threatens gubernatorial and down-ticket races as well. Artur Davis, running for governor of Alabama, is already being put on the spot about it.

While details are limited, there is apparently a “Plan B” alternative that the White House was considering, which would evidently expand existing programs — Medicaid and SCHIP. It would cover half the people at a quarter of the price, but it would not force an unbearable financial burden to those who are already struggling to get by. Because it creates no new infrastructure for the purpose of funneling money to private insurance companies, there is no need for Bart Stupak’s or Ben Nelson’s language dealing with abortion — which satisfies the concerns of pro-life members of Congress, as well as women who are looking at the biggest blow to women’s reproductive rights in 35 years with the passage of this bill. Both programs are already covered under existing law, the Hyde amendment.

But perhaps most profoundly, the bill does not mandate that people pay 8% of their annual income to private insurance companies or face a penalty of up to 2% — which the IRS would collect. As Marcy Wheeler noted in an important post entitled “Health Care on the Road to NeoFeudalism,” we stand on the precipice of doing something truly radical in our government, by demanding that Americans pay almost as much money to private insurance companies as they do in federal taxes:

When this passes, it will become clear that Congress is no longer the sovereign of this nation. Rather, the corporations dictating the laws will be.

I understand the temptation to offer 30 million people health care. What I don’t understand is the nonchalance with which we’re about to fundamentally shift the relationships of governance in doing so.


Fact Sheet: The Truth About the Health Care Bill



reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 10:32 PM by OutKast Searcher
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It will encourage your employer to drop your health care


Nope. Source?

It will force you to purchase health insurance to the tune of around 15,000 $ a year under penalty of law enforceable by and through the IRS (for a family of 4)


Nope. Source?

It will cut medicaid by 500,000,000$


Nope. This gets distorted because it estimates it will be able to save money by eliminating waste and fraud...not by cutting benefits.

If you think different...guess what....Source?


If passed by ongoing methods it will allow congress to pass a bill by literally pretending it was voted on


Nope. Educate yourself on the procedures being used...I don't have time to tonight. I've done it many times...go look through my threads...you'll find one. Better yet...go research from an original source about self-executing rules and reconciliation.

It will waste hundreds of millions of our dollars on bribes to entice senators to vote yes


Nope...a bribe is money paid to a person...not funding going to help people.

It will open the door for this same unconstitutional precedent to be used for anything from amnesty and open boarders to cap and trade and all things in between


If that is the case...the precedent has already been set by the republicans. With them using reconciliation 16 out of the previous 22 times and them using self-executing rules 112 times in their past 3 controlled congresses. So the precedent has already been set....but that is because it is LEGAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL. You just don't seem to understand the process.

If passed and upheld this bill is designed to collapse the entire insurance system of the USA and usher in a government controlled euthanasia based system.


Oh boy...that is the cherry on top.


reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 10:58 PM by DiabolusFireDragon
THE BILL

The Healthcare bill will "improve support for cost sharing, focusing on those with incomes below 250% of the federal poverty level," meaning those with a decent income will pay for those who don't.

It will force everyone to be insured, or pay. Time to buy stock in insurance companies!

It will give 1 billion to create a government bureaucracy that oversees the implementation of the bill.

500 million a year to collages to improve educational or career training programs. This is a healthcare bill, right?

Over 13 billion for student aid. Again, healthcare bill?

"$100 million to Hispanic Serving Institutions, $85 million to Historically Black Colleges and Universities, $15 million to Predominantly Black Institutions, $30 million to Tribal Colleges and Universities, $15 million to Alaska, Hawaiian Native Institutions, $5 million to Asian American and Pacific Islander Institutions, and $5 million to Native American non-tribal serving institutions." And this makes healthcare cheaper how?

The bill with some commentary

Yeah, excellent bill.


reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 11:51 PM by projectvxn
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Under article 1 sec. 7 of the US Constitution Both Houses must VOTE and pass a bill before it lands on the President's desk for signing. Self executing rules or "deem and pass" are for congressional resolutions that do not have the force of law behind them. Perhaps it is you who should seek more education on the matter.
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