Of M.I.C.E. and Men : United Nations, Betrayal of Country, or Currying Favors for Respect?, page 1

I have never liked the idea of the United Nations, because it is to me a basic principle to want less bureaucracy, because quite simply there is enough of it in the United States, let alone the world, other countries respectively, and the World Government, which is essentially what the United Nations is, the seat of World Government as a whole.

When I put Of M.I.C.E. and Men in the title, you may have thought I was referring to John Steinbeck's classic, Of Mice and Men, however I was not, I was referring to M.I.C.E.

Money, Ideology, Compromise, and Ego.

I began this thread on M.I.C.E. and the United Nations, because of the thread below :

Blackmail : Keep Your Friends Close, Keep Your Enemies Closer, The Threat of Subversion Through Fear

Quote from : Wikipedia : Motives for Spying

There are many suggested motives for spying that an individual may have.

In general, espionage carries heavy penalties, with spies often being regarded as traitors, and so motivating factors must usually be quite large.

There have been various attempts to explain why people become spies.

One common theory is summed up by the acronym "MICE", which stands for "Money, Ideology, Compromise or Coercion (depending on source), and Ego".

Other explanations have stressed the role of disaffection and grudges, or of personal links.

I thought I would take a look at the United Nations, and the motives for spying.

Do you believe that people inside the United Nations are actually doing their jobs based upon their own independent countries, or towards "the greater good", or perhaps, are they doing it because they might have been compromised in some way, or through this that they are trying to compromise America and our our ideals and way of life?

Treason Via Proxy : It Takes Two To Tango, Refuse To Dance, and Stop the False Flag Operation

The United Nations is one of the highest seats of Government, if you will, where our International Brotherhood (or Sisterhood) is supposed to be practiced, according to what most of us know, are told, and or believe.

Quote from : Wikipedia : United Nations

The United Nations Organization (UNO) or simply United Nations (UN) is an international organization whose stated aims are facilitating cooperation in international law, international security, economic development, social progress, human rights, and the achieving of world peace.

The UN was founded in 1945 after World War II to replace the League of Nations, to stop wars between countries, and to provide a platform for dialogue.

It contains multiple subsidiary organizations to carry out its missions.

There are currently 192 member states, including nearly every sovereign state in the world. From its offices around the world, the UN and its specialized agencies decide on substantive and administrative issues in regular meetings held throughout the year.

The organization has six principal organs: the General Assembly (the main deliberative assembly); the Security Council (for deciding certain resolutions for peace and security); the Economic and Social Council (for assisting in promoting international economic and social cooperation and development); the Secretariat (for providing studies, information, and facilities needed by the UN); the International Court of Justice (the primary judicial organ); and the United Nations Trusteeship Council (which is currently inactive).

Other prominent UN System agencies include the World Health Organization (WHO), the World Food Programme (WFP) and United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF).

The UN's most visible public figure is the Secretary-General, currently Ban Ki-moon of South Korea, who attained the post in 2007.

The organization is financed from assessed and voluntary contributions from its member states, and has six official languages: Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish.

Of course, you have to know something about the inner workings of a bureaucracy, to speak effectively, about anything and everything the United Nations does, and I do know a thing or two about bureaucracy, and I am betting quite a bit of ATS does as well.

Though the effectiveness of what it embodies is often not seen, immediately, it is supposed to do quite a few things towards the overall betterment of our world, planet Earth.

However, each and every day I read, listen to, or research this organization, the more I begin to wonder, just what exactly it is doing, how it is effective, and or if it is in fact, necessary.

Especially when we hear about organizations like the Bilderberg Group acting in concertina secrecy in meetings that not only the media is in on, and keeps secret, but we are not allowed to know what is going on, and being an international effort, I see this as an affront to not only what the United Nations is allegedly supposed to do, but as a direct subversion of what many of our countries want them to do.

Bilderberger : The Global Agenda, Eugenics, Global Warming, And Biochiping Sheeple

Are we as international citizens being set up, like lambs for the slaughter, and or are we being compromised not only by our International Leaders, but those of our own collective countries?

Are our countries really serving us, or serving us through lip service?

I absolutely hate hearing someone speak in the effort to convince me, of what they believe I want to hear, because what I want to hear, is that our Government, both America, and the United Nations, is actually going to stop the bureaucracy, the nonsense, and keep the peace through diplomacy and not allow idiots run our collective nations into the ground.

Whether those idiots, are dictators like the now hanged Saddam Hussein, or even the socialist idiot Hugo Chavez, or those who reside in the halls of power inside the United Nations, who are supposed to make this world a safer and more effectively run planet where we all share in the outcome.

U.N.S.C. and 2012 : Political Ideologies, Nations United, and Views on Terrorism : Conflict Earth

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Originally posted by ugie1028
The UN is just a front for multi national corporations, and the IMF.

When it comes to the big game, the long con, these men and women are not to be trusted, ever, because ultimately, they are after our money.

In more ways than one, between getting funds from each country, to predatory seeking of funding through the explotative means of securing peace.

It is often more costly fighting the peace than it is starting war.

But what then, if both are used as a means, to keep funds flowing?

Originally posted by ugie1028
The Bilderberg Group we all hear about are the ones really running the show IMO. At least the current policies and future ones.

I agree because these people are more paranoid than conspiracy theorists.

This means their conspiracy is huge, complete control.

And the means is subversion, through fear, compromise, and guilt.

Originally posted by ugie1028
People let it happen. people rarely hear about the group. Its rarely ever mentioned in the mainstream. The average Joe wouldn't usually question them or go out of his/her way to look it up.

The average Joe have zero clue about how real politics works, let alone international politics.

Originally posted by ugie1028
People need to start looking for information themselves! look for information that doesn't show up in the mainstream;, weed through the propaganda, and the truth between the lies. They need to start reading stories on page 13 and beyond to find the real truth. They should pick up a book, turn off their TV, and start re-educating themselves. Become involved just by being informed, get an idea on what the big picture really is...

.. and what it means for future generations.

People need to pull their heads out of their collective asses.

Looking for information is only a beginning and it is almost too late.

Taking action, with the combined information, in the form of getting politics for the people, of the people, and by the people is the only way to go.

If we filled each office, worldwide, with people who actually did their job, instead of selling the lies via showing a sham where politics and bureaucracy hide their complicit criminal actions like the Oil-for-Food Programme (read scandal), where each and every opportunistic Government took a piece of Saddam Hussein's pie, illegally, we might actually get things done, instead of false embargoes, just to make a profit.

The U.N. Exposed: How the United Nations Sabotages America's Security and Fails the World

Amazon Review :

Over the years, and today more than ever, the United Nations has failed to address the most dangerous threats facing the civilized world, refused to condemn terrorist acts, encouraged America’s enemies, and supported some of the world’s most oppressive governments, all while wasting billions of dollars.

As Fox News Channel reporter Eric Shawn points out, the U.N. is now where our so-called allies scheme against us, while Americans pay a whopping 22 percent of the U.N.’s bloated budget.

His book offers a rare insider’s tour of the United Nations, focusing on many disturbing aspects that have been ignored by the mainstream media.

Dick Cheney caught telling the TRUTH about IRAQ!!!!!


If we are ever to trust the people within Government, their telling us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is something we would believe to be something we want to hear, know, and be told honestly, correct?

If our economy is a complete flop, because of mismangement, our spiraling dollar is heading towards rock bottom, is it not time for the truth to come out, or do those in Government want us to revolt, and thereby give them a reason to act?

Of course it is not because of being told the truth, it is because of being told lies.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Project for the New American century

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that lasted from early 1997 to 2006.

It was co-founded as a non-profit educational organization by neoconservatives William Kristol and Robert Kagan.

The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership."

Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."

The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War.

Bilderberger's - Plotting High Treason Through Subversion Of Government

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The earliest concrete plan for a new world organization was begun under the aegis of the U.S. State Department in 1939. Franklin D. Roosevelt first coined the term 'United Nations' as a term to describe the Allied countries.

en.wikipedia.org...

Isn't the U.N. building in New York City as well? I'm not sure what they do actually. I know we disregarded them when we began the second invasion of Iraq as everyone else was telling us that we needed U.N. approval. They weren't so significant then.

Do you remember Ahmadinejad speaking at the U.N.? Almost everyone got out of their seats and left. This was supposed to be a way to open dialogue and find out what everyone needed to know. Instead they all said look at us we are not listening to him and left. These people were the supposed leaders of their people and here they are acting like children.

In my opinion every one of them that got up and left should have been fired, impeached or whatever. The organization is nothing but a front for some larger, out of our view, agenda. It is a scapegoat and a way to launder large amounts of money. They do nothing and for all I can tell they've never been effective at Uniting Nations for a cause of any sort.

With something like the United Nations don't you think we would have some kind of leadership addressing the public about the common problems that plague our societies today? The racial hatred, the fear of terrorism, the fear of an economic crash. These are all issues that should be addressed so that people are not left in the dark and sinking deeper into the mire that is rising beyond our chins now.

Good thread Spartan! S+F.


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Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

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The earliest concrete plan for a new world organization was begun under the aegis of the U.S. State Department in 1939. Franklin D. Roosevelt first coined the term 'United Nations' as a term to describe the Allied countries.

en.wikipedia.org...

Isn't the U.N. building in New York City as well? I'm not sure what they do actually. I know we disregarded them when we began the second invasion of Iraq as everyone else was telling us that we needed U.N. approval. They weren't so significant then.

I was wondering when someone else might dig deeper, thank you.

Yes, the United Nations, is in New York, the land was donated to that organization.

We ignored the United Nations, in invading Iraq, because of Article 51.

Article 51 of the United Nations charter, is the false pretext Bush used.

Quote from : Wikpedia : Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter: Article 51

Article 51 provides for the right of countries to engage in military action in self-defense, including collective self-defense (i.e. under an alliance).

This has been cited as support for the legality of the Vietnam War.

“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.

Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security."

You can read the United Nations Charter in full in the link in this sentence.

Because of the false premise of the alleged Weapons of Mass Destruction, and as well, a false premise of Osama bin Laden, and 9/11, Bush used this to push Article 51.

It was through the assistance of the Project for the New American Century, a policy think-tank, that pushed the agenda, through pre-planning.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Project for the New American Century

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that lasted from early 1997 to 2006.

It was co-founded as a non-profit educational organization by neoconservatives William Kristol and Robert Kagan.

The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership."

Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."

The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War.

Project for the New American Century

Originally posted by jackflap
Do you remember Ahmadinejad speaking at the U.N.? Almost everyone got out of their seats and left. This was supposed to be a way to open dialogue and find out what everyone needed to know. Instead they all said look at us we are not listening to him and left. These people were the supposed leaders of their people and here they are acting like children.

Yes, acting like children is something they know well, and they shunned him, like a child.

Sometimes, when a tyrant, throws a temper tantrum, or tirade, he is ignored.

Sometimes, those ignoring him or her, are no better for it either, of course.

Originally posted by jackflap
In my opinion every one of them that got up and left should have been fired, impeached or whatever. The organization is nothing but a front for some larger, out of our view, agenda. It is a scapegoat and a way to launder large amounts of money. They do nothing and for all I can tell they've never been effective at Uniting Nations for a cause of any sort.

Of course, it is a means, to siphon money, high-stakes money-laundering.

And each and every country is damaged because of it, because the bureaucracy needs cash.

And the end goal, as far as I have ascertained, is to push us to the cashless society, worldwide.

Originally posted by jackflap
With something like the United Nations don't you think we would have some kind of leadership addressing the public about the common problems that plague our societies today? The racial hatred, the fear of terrorism, the fear of an economic crash. These are all issues that should be addressed so that people are not left in the dark and sinking deeper into the mire that is rising beyond our chins now.

Good thread Spartan! S+F.


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It is addressed, but not to the common man, it is broadcast, and hidden under secrecy.

Through political double-speak, altruistic idealism, and false pretenses.

And we are paying for it, and we will receive nothing for it.

Except false peace, except a means to see an entity, that is slowly undermining all countries boundaries, like a creeping vine, eroding the walls of safety.

Truth and Lies of 9/11 : Mike Ruppert, C.I.A. Drug Running, and Your Government

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Pnac is one think tank. There are many more. They are heavily funded and for the life of me I cannot figure out why they would need so much money.

The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is an extremely influential, pro-business, conservative think tank founded in 1943 by Lewis H. Brown. It promotes the advancement of free enterprise capitalism, and succeeds in placing its people in influential governmental positions. It is the center base for many neo-conservatives.

This is just one of them, AEI. I am going to look a little further. It is disturbing that these think tanks influence everything that goes on. Check this out.

While the AEI acknowledges that it received over $6 million in corporate contributions in 2006, the donors are not identified in either its annual report or on its website. However, it is known that during 1997, Philip Morris contributed $100,000 to the Institute. During 2007, ExxonMobil contributed $240,000 (including an addition $30,000 for the joint AEI Brookings "Judicial Education Program".) (It is worth noting that AEI notes in its 2006 annual report that Lee R. Raymond, the now retired Chairman and CEO of Exxon Mobil Corporation is a member. On its website it states that "national and multinational corporations who support AEI maintain close relationships with the Institute's scholars and regularly receive top-level research and analysis on specific policy interests and priorities. In addition, corporations provide important input to AEI on a wide variety of issues. Corporate involvement with AEI includes special invitations to public and private events; AEI's full slate of research studies, articles, books and other publications; access to our scholars, fellows, and senior management; and more." It also states that "the Institute does not perform contract research and, with rare exceptions, does not accept government grants."

www.sourcewatch.org...

At least is comforting to know that on rare occasions it will not accept government grants? What the hell is that?

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Oh, of course P.N.A.C. is but one policy think-tank, but it is one of the primary ones, responsible for our engagement in the Iraq War, and through a pretext, lied us into paying out the nose for a war which was not needed, nor wanted.

The United Nations would not get off their collective backsides, and take down the dictator, Saddam Hussein.

So, a false premise, through 9/11 was used, to get us engaged, and took out Hussein.

The need for money, is quite simply to pay the consultants, to think of how to bypass the standards of just how the United Nations would stop America, period.

As well, it is paid into the Mainstream Media, and those organizations which can slant news.

Look to the list of member names on P.N.A.C. alone, and follow the money.

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It is coming. To my fellow americans you voted for change well you didnt specify. So your gonna get it for the worst...




Ripcontrols plan for freedom:

Since it is not obvious to you but it is to me and a few others I intend to buy my freedom.

With this money I will then extend into buying control. At the local level they are all for sell. Also they have left themselves wide open in way they cant even imagine.

Now to the actual topic of discussion...

What needs to be done is to put together the list of likely control groups and rulers. This is so I and those following can infiltrate and sorta return the favor.

Wiki Carlyle Group

The Carlyle Group is a global private equity investment firm, based in Washington, D.C., with more than $84.5 billion of equity capital under management, diversified over 64 different funds as of March 31, 2009.[1] The firm operates four fund families, focusing on leveraged buyouts, growth capital, real estate and leveraged finance investments. The firm employs more than 890 employees, including 495 investment professionals in 20 countries with several offices in the Americas, Europe, Asia and Australia; its portfolio companies employ more than 415,000 people worldwide. Carlyle has over 1300 investors in 71 countries.

A good book on the subject

Book:Iron Triangle

"The Carlyle Group is a distressing example of the way Washington, DC works. The Iron Triangle gives you an insiders’ perspective on this ‘creature’ of the Beltway." –Thomas Fitton, President, Judicial Watch, Inc.

An interesting site

www.carlyle.com...

Source watch

Carlyle states that its "mission is to become the premier global private equity firm and to generate extraordinary returns while maintaining our good name and the good name of our partners. Toward that end, we have established a family of funds in the Carlyle name and a network of offices around the world. We maintain the highest standards of ethical conduct and employ a conservative, proven and disciplined approach to investing."[4]

Now their is another company I am looking for that has more power and influence then Carlyle...

From what my roomate told me they average over a trillion a month in profit. They are privately held and in a few words better managed then Carlyle....

Have any of you heard of them....?

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Now their is another company I am looking for that has more power and influence then Carlyle... From what my roomate told me they average over a trillion a month in profit. They are privately held and in a few words better managed then Carlyle.... Have any of you heard of them....?

Alright already you have me captivated, who is it? I am going to guess Microsoft because that's the only one I can think of with that kind of income!

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I cant find it I have to go talk to my roommate about it.

It might be this..... will follow lead

The problem with that is that it appears that Cede isn't just some dummy name, but an actual corporation that DTCC controls. And, well, if you ask anybody about this, who actually knows about it, they will naturally tell you that it is all a formality. To serve you better, of course. And, well, maybe it is. DTCC seems like a nice and friendly company. It is a private company, owned by the same people (major U.S. banks) who own the Federal Reserve Bank. And if they all stick to their job, and just keep the money and your stocks flowing smoothly, I'm sure that is all well and good. But if somebody at some point should decide otherwise, and there's a national U.S. emergency and/or the U.S. government becomes unable to pay its debts, well, they might just not give you your stocks back. Because legally they own them. Something to think about

Well its quite heart warming to know my road to power is easier then I thought. Holds back tears of joy... Imagine a huge stock call and a refusal to turn them over.... You have no money to fight with... I could call in everybodies debt who challenged me...

wipes the tears of joy from eyes



DTTC

overview

DTCC, through its subsidiaries, provides clearing, settlement and information services for equities, corporate and municipal bonds, government and mortgage-backed securities, money market instruments and over-the-counter derivatives. In addition, DTCC is a leading processor of mutual funds and insurance transactions, linking funds and carriers with their distribution networks.

History

The depository, DTC, and the oldest of our clearing subsidiaries, NSCC, were both created in response to the paperwork crisis that developed in the securities industry in the late 1960s and early 1970s. At that time, brokers still exchanged paper certificates and checks for each trade, sending hundreds of messengers scurrying throughout Wall Street clutching bags of checks and securities.

worth checking out... It might be the company he was refering to...I will ask him later

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Well, it was nice knowing you, for once you even get close to this, they will kill you.

The Carlyle Group is nothing more than a cover for criminal culpability through outsourced means of the American Government, and they will know everything there is to know about you, your inner most secrets, your greed points, your vices.

And they will use it to make you a puppet to their mastery.

This is not some childish organization, it funds Secret Societies, and you're playing with fire.

Right and Left : A Control Mechanism of the Skull and Bones Society, the Order of Chaos

Besides, each and every thing you speak of online, will have been sorted.

And they will know everything you do, everywhere, long before you gain power.

This is the modern day and age of information and they are no mere idiots.

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