What about the Vatican, and child abuse.

This topic concerns the recently growing reports of child abuse.
Surrounding the Vatican, and its churches.

Well, we've all watched the news haven't we.
Claims of child abuses began to pop up all over Europe. Even in America reports are now growing even larger of people finally coming out.. And so the pressure on the Vatican continues to grow. The ongoing accusation of the 'Vatican covering up' their knowledge of child abuse is getting more and more attention.

The Vatican tried to keep it down, it knew of all the abuses for years.
In recent claims the Vatican lashed out to the accusations by saying 'it was cleaning its own house'.. and that clerical sex in other churches were as big as in roman-catholic church, and even bigger. But still keeping its own reports confidential.

Pointing fingers at others, and hiding behind the chapel if you ask me.

... even the pope's own brother pledged guilty of having a hard hand and what more at his minors.

Article, please read!

And what do we see, the Pope writes an excuse letter...and then it should be all fine? The child molesters get banned from the church or get a degrade in hierarchy... but above all, ' lets just keep it as quiet as possible to the rest of the world'.


This is unbelievable, it has been going on for years, and what did every servant of god who knew about this, watched this, or did this do? Bow down his head and think
'' I better keep quiet about this ''


So whats your opinion, is a total break down of the roman catholic system imminent? Should the Vatican be punished? Be Erased?

What would happen if you were handed the task of punishing the child abusers, and if so, the Vatican.


Keep it discreet please.

The Vatican should have been abolished before it even began. As a Christian, not a catholic, I am ashamed of these guys being around. Sure I can argue the fact that they don't represent my beliefs, but they do use the bible.

The best solution is to abolish the Catholic church and distribute all the wealth to third world countries.

the catholic church, especially 20 or 30 years ago, was set up to create very messed up people. some things are particular to the church and some are common with other areas of life, it's a complex dynamic but i really think modern society has a few lessons to learn.

in the catholic church, all sex, sexuality or sexual reference is wrong. it's wrong by definition. if people are led to believe this, over years and years, then it becomes about levels of wrong. it puts masturbation and sexual abuse in the category. at the same time, it created an idolized vision of youth (baby jesus, the virgin mary, the calling of the innocents) and cut off adults from normal healthy interaction with children.

how could this combination of factors not twist and pervert normal paternal instincts in some people?

then there's the fact that a position of absolute power over children is always going to be attractive to pedophiles. any position of power has a higher incidence of pedophilia, the vatican was right in that respect. for instance, english boarding schools were renowned for their culture of abuse.

the cover-ups are a natural progression from the confessional and a structure based on the retention of power and reputation. there is also a strong desire to regulate the morality and mind of others. a lofty position can go to your head. you end up believing you're right by definition.

in many ways, the scandals in the church are symptomatic of the churches structure and morality. it's worth bearing in mind that the structure of the church has created the society in which we live. we idolize youth, we value retention of power and reputation, we attempt to regulate morality and we seem to create a unique taboo around sex and sexuality.

by making priests, the vatican and the catholic church "the monsters" there is a serious danger that the actual monsters and the things that made them will be ignored.
maybe that's the point.

[edit on 19/3/10 by pieman]

reply to post by pieman


Nicely put !

2nd..

Originally posted by Solidus Green eye


What would happen if you were handed the task of punishing the child abusers, and if so, the Vatican.

I did a thread on the guy in the vatican who's job it is to deal with those child molesters. The interview is pretty enlightening on how big the problem really is and how the Vatican is dealing with the scum.

The Church's Strict Patrol Against Pedophilia

Also, here's an article on how Pope Benidict XVI is handeling the sex abuse scandals:

Will Ratzinger's past trump Benedict's present?

Gino Burresi may sound like the name of a shortstop from the '50s, but among Vatican insiders, it marks a watershed in the sexual abuse crisis. For those with eyes to see, the fall from grace of Burresi, a charismatic Italian priest and founder of the Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, shortly after the election of Pope Benedict XVI, was taken as a signal that the days of lethargy and cover-up were over.

Burresi, 73 at the time, was barred from public ministry in May 2005, just one month after the election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger to the church's top job. While the decree cited abuses of confession and spiritual direction, Vatican sources were clear that accusations of sexual abuse involving Burresi and seminarians, dating to the 1970s and '80s, were a principal motive for the action against him.

When the same axe fell a few months later on Mexican priest Marcial Maciel Degollado, the high-profile founder of the Legionaries of Christ, against whom accusations of abuse had likewise been hanging around for the better part of a decade, the message seemed unmistakable: There's a new sheriff in town.

In retrospect, the Burresi and Maciel cases crystallized a remarkable metamorphosis in Joseph Ratzinger vis-à-vis the sexual abuse crisis. As late as November 2002, well into the eruption in the United States, he seemed just another Roman cardinal in denial. Yet as pope, Benedict XVI became a Catholic Elliot Ness -- disciplining Roman favorites long regarded as untouchable, meeting sex abuse victims in both the United States and Australia, embracing "zero tolerance" policies once viewed with disdain in Rome, and openly apologizing for the carnage caused by the crisis.

In a papacy sometimes marred by scandal and internal confusion, Benedict's handling of the sexual abuse crisis has often been touted as a bright spot -- one case, at least, in which the expectations of the cardinals who elected him for a firmer hand on the rudder seem to have been fulfilled.

That background makes the scandals now engulfing the church in Europe especially explosive, because by putting the pope's all but forgotten tenure as the Archbishop of Munich from May 1977 to February 1982 under a microscope, they threaten to once again make Benedict seem more like part of the problem than the solution.

As of this writing, there's at least one case on the record of a priest accused of abuse who was reassigned in Munich while Ratzinger was in charge, and who went on to commit other acts of abuse. The vicar general at the time has assumed "full responsibility" and insisted that Ratzinger wasn't informed, but it nevertheless happened on his watch. For all anyone knows at the moment, there may be other such cases.

Read more: National Catholic Reporter

reply to post by FortAnthem


Hey thanx! ..very interesting.

Still at word here, so will read it later on.

Cheers!

It's more than child abuse. They have killed many innocent people for centuries and have used some tortures that are beyond words. The vatican is filthy. "Drunk with the blood of saints". The red robes represent the blood of those innocents they have slaughtered. And child abuse is emotional slaughter.


This had endured for centuries and no one stops it. They are above the laws of the land because they are the shadow that creates the laws.

If governments cannot and will not stop this and put an end to it, who will?

People have put their trust in corrupt corporate religions and corrupt politics which have been run by corrupt corporations. The masses need to be educated to see that their trust has been gravely misplaced.







[edit on 22-3-2010 by Alethea]

Originally posted by Alethea
It's more than child abuse. They have killed many innocent people for centuries and have used some tortures that are beyond words.

people don't like to believe that they are capable of evil, they like to institutionalise it, try to fence it off over there somewhere, "the nazis were evil" "the catholic church are evil", "the communists are evil" "protestants are evil" black people are evil" "white people are evil" "corporations are evil".

every institution is made up of ordinary people. if they do something exceptionally evil it is because ordinary people are able to normalize and justify exceptional evil incredibly easily.

fencing off evil over there is part of that, for instance, if you believe "extremist muslims" are evil, you can justify torturing them to stop their evil or normalize a pre-emptive strikes on muslim countries, because they are, by definition, a few steps closer to being evil than a normal country.

you also tend to think that you are not evil because you are not "over there". therefore, the things you do aren't evil.

doing bad stuff is not unique to the catholic church, in any way. it seems to be unique to humans.

[edit on 22/3/10 by pieman]