Let me begin by saying i dont condone killing, mass slaughter, or genocide.

I think the Nazi's went way too far with their idea's and took it to a whole new level of genocide.

However, as there are extremists to every idea, i think we should look at what the Nazi's where saying.

I am not a racist. I do not say that if one "type" of person is a certain way, then "all" of those people are that way. However, with statistics backing me up, i do believe in a few stereotypes.
Stereotypes might have some backing meaning that isnt inherit to the persons race. For example, blacks tend to be more poor than white people. This is a fact that you cannot ignore, it is true. But why? I will not say that blacks are dumber or less inclined, but there are factors such as growing up in below-average school systems and being surrounded by violence. There are many steps being taken right now to help african american communities overcome these problems, but there is an inherit problem with african americans succeeding in the school systems when compared to Caucasians.

Stereotypes are not always bad, either. Asians tend to get higher grades than most other ethnicities. Are they inherently smarter? My opinion is that their families push them to the edge to achieve something in america. They spent their entire lives trying to come to America so it is in their best interest for their children to make something of themselves. I have heard stories of Asian-American students committing suicide from the pressure. These are all culture values.

Ill have to find it, but there was a private school that enrolled people from various "poor" communities of varying ethnic background. They where able to do this using government grants. When the grades came out, there where very close ratio's of different ethnicities (blacks, whites, asians, hispanics) achieving similar grades. This school was a private vocational school, meaning the students stayed at the school during their academics.

So what is this saying? This shows that alot of these stereotypes are "cultural", or "learned".

Now, what am i getting at with Nazi's? Well, the Nazi's believed in alot of crazy stuff, but there was one thing that alot of their propaganda would portray. To me, they almost predicted the future.

Here is the Nazi state ideal:
"while Aryan men find satisfaction in physical labour and the creation of value, Jews only find pleasure in money and a hedonist lifestyle."

Hedonist: a person whose life is devoted to the pursuit of pleasure and self-gratification.

Now, let me put this out there:
Are ALL jews money greedy selfish egotists? No.
Are jews the ONLY group that shows these characteristics? No.
Are there statistics to back up the above statement? Unfortunately, yes.

Especially today.

Lets look at american values and society as a whole, before "fox news" and "rap music."

Americans believed in "you work hard, you get by."
They loved their country. They worked hard, had rich family values. Even african american communities had these cultural values.

Take a look at early hip hop, like the 1980's. Hip hop was about "good times" and "having fun".
Im not going to post all the "jewish" connections to record labels, corporations and media outlets. You can research it yourself, its very easy to find and verify, its not a lie.

How many people on here actually "like" fox news? Not many, right? Well, its values are exactly that of what the Nazi's warned about.

Rap Music? BLing bling, whores, big money. Do any of these have any moral, cultural or "human" significance? Do any of these things propel the human race forward?

A huge majority of successful rap record labels are owned by Jewish Americans. And they all portray the same image of african americans.

Some people think that these record labels help the african community because they give them hope of a better life. But they really only hurt the african community. Any artists that signs himself on these record labels and sings about bitches hoes and gangsta thugs is selling him/herself out against the african american community.
The suburban "white" people watch these videos, and then look back and say "wow those are what those black people value in life? how sad." When in reality, its only their children who buy the garbage. The black communities dont really act that way, but the record labels portray them this way.

Why? because it sells. Values, morals, hard work... all of these values of human progression are ignored. We are going backwards.

I am not saying jews are a menacing plague put upon the earth, however, i am hoping people see where im coming from, and realize that the values that make us human are being shuffled aside.

Do you sometimes feel that you are being turned into an artificial robot slave? With no emotion or feeling? Do you feel all of society is acting this way?
Ironically enough, you are portraying the feelings that Alfred Rosenberg, a key member of the Nazi party, said would happen if jews where allowed to "run the world."
I have met many jews that where very nice people. Where fellow friends and family came before money and greed. I have also met many jews and non-jews, who would throw their childhood friends under the bus for a quick rise to fame and/or fortune.

So what am i calling for here?
I am in no way intending for a mass holocaust. My stance on violence is that you should let the other side start the war.
However, i do think we as a society should understand what we are facing. Understand the values that are being thrown out the window. Understand where our lives are headed in the future.

The simplest thing you can do, as a human being. Not a jew, a white person or a black person, but as a "human", is to boycott the garbage. If you hear your child listening to 50 cent, throw the cd out the window and tell him to never turn that garbage on again. There are plenty of great jazz and blues african american artists for him to listen to if he truly wants to enjoy the african american community, 50 cent is not one of them.
Stop watching Fox News. Period. I used to watch it for comic value, to see some of the hypocrisy and laugh. Well, the network gets its ratings based on viewers. So stop watching it. Stop watching it all.

Go outside, and make something. Not for monetary value. Not for gain. But for purpose. For bettering your soul. If your job turns you into a robot, then settle for one that pays $10k less a year but has some value

do what you feel you are obliged to do, as a human being. Stop worrying about "screwing over this idiot for a few extra dollars", or buying that "awesome new car."

Remember, Karma is a bitch. When i was working in sales, i would do so many stupid sly tricks to rip people off. It helped my paycheck, my bosses thought i was a badass, and all my co-workers envied my tactics.

Well, do you know how much money i have left from my time as a salesmen? 0. Thats not right, in fact i paid more overdraft fees being a salesmen than i did as any other job.

The point here, is that you need to be true to yourself. I think the reason why people care so much about fame, money and greed, is because other people care about it.

If you feel you would collapse if you saw a celebrity you loved IRL, then you are participating in this endeavor.

Stop caring so much. Enjoy "life". Enjoy whatever nature gives you. Just because you are not Tom Cruise or Jessica Alba, does not mean you are a meaningless soul in a sea of bodies.
So go do something that matters, before there wont be anything left to do.

I am not racist mind you and I have some black friends...but ever notice how a lot of black people like fried chicken? Or watermelon?

SARCASM at work here...

how can you say those things? Even suggesting them is offensive to me and others. Might as well breakout the armbands of the very people you are ever so subtly defending.

... not that I'm close minded or anything like that, but it is true that many sountherners race cars and have rebel flags and are in the KKK

... not that I'm racist or anything like that, but them Mexicans sure eat a lot of tacos..don't leave your dogs out at night either.

.... no subtle racism displayed in your OP.

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
I am not racist mind you and I have some black friends...but ever notice how a lot of black people like fried chicken? Or watermelon?

SARCASM at work here...

how can you say those things? Even suggesting them is offensive to me and others. Might as well breakout the armbands of the very people you are ever so subtly defending.

... not that I'm close minded or anything like that, but it is true that many sountherners race cars and have rebel flags and are in the KKK

... not that I'm racist or anything like that, but them Mexicans sure eat a lot of tacos..don't leave your dogs out at night either.

.... no subtle racism displayed in your OP.

unfortunately for me, i pledge allegiance to humanity. There where many evil extremist societies throughout history, but many of them where still envied historically for their achievements.

Let me try to soften you a bit so you understand where i am coming from.
Did you know that nazi technology got us to the moon? V2 rocket to be exact.
Does that make all of our astronauts nazi's? They are studying Nazi technology.
Same with jet engines. Nazi's developed the first jet planes.
What i am getting at is that we have to look at everything in retrospect. Just because it was an "evil" atrocity does not mean that is the end and we should look no further.

I am defending human values.

Let me clarify. What i think actually might have happened in germany. Remember, germany followed hitler, in masses. This means, that the germans themselves believed in the propaganda.

I think the Germans where seeing what some of the big corporate robot entities where doing to their country, and since most of them where jewish-owned(most of the bankers in germany where jewish as well), they used this as a channeling for their hatred and anger at the values lost in their culture. You cant simply say, "the jews did it." and expect an entire nation to believe you. If you think you can, take a look at Bush . His approval rating was 30%. He is booed during inauguration. The country pretty much hates him, and he is basically doing the same thing that Hitler did. "The Iraqi's did it!."

I went off on tangent here, but i look at things historically, not by "allegiance."

Obviously there is racism in that statement so let me try and help you out. What you could say is that while there are Jews doing this to our society, you don't have to say they are Jews because they really aren't. They are what many refer to as Zionists, not Jews. And Zionism extends beyond just 'Jews' to even Christians and Atheists, it is the goal to manipulate society. The Nazi's looked at what these 'Jews' did and assumed all Jews are out to ruin society. Let me make this 100% clear, They are not 'Jews' they are Zionists, Zionists don't even have to be Jews really, they can be Christian or any other type of people. I hope you understand what I mean.

[edit on 3/18/10 by Misoir]

Originally posted by Misoir
Obviously there is racism in that statement so let me try and help you out. What you could say is that while there are Jews doing this to our society, you don't have to say they are Jews because they really aren't. They are what many refer to as Zionists, not Jews. And Zionism extends beyond just 'Jews' to even Christians and Atheists, it is the goal to manipulate society. The Nazi's looked at what these 'Jews' did and assumed all Jews are out to ruin society. Let me make this 100% clear, They are not 'Jews' they are Zionists, Zionists don't even have to be Jews really, they can be Christian or any other type of people. I hope you understand what I mean.

[edit on 3/18/10 by Misoir]

i am against Zionism, but my post is beyond zionism. Its about human values.

I do thank you for clearing up for some people what i am talking about. I knew i would get alot flac for my statement, its expected. But i am saying what i believe, not what i "should" believe.


edit:

I think what you are finding in my post is alot of stereotypes. I only believe in stereotypes if they are backed up by something, like statistics.

If you feel all stereotypes are false, you are acting just as ignorant as a person who believes all are true.





[edit on 18-3-2010 by demonseed]

I find this post interesting for several reasons.


The first being the OP is, as unexpected as it might seem at first reading, accurate on certain key levels regarding where the NAZI leadership perceived society as heading. At least as far as a moral breakdown is concerned.

I would personally stop just short of calling the Nazi's visionary, yet still it is hard to argue that today's world is eerily similar to the nightmare-world Hitler and his ilk may have foreseen.

On a closer to home reason, I also fully and completely agree with the orchestrated selling of the thug-and-drug culture that the OP alludes to. As a black man , one doesn't have to be a conspiracy theorist to see that something, some force, factor or influence has almost force fed the rapid disintegration of the black family and associated values. Selling an image of 'gangsta-ism' to black(and white) youth is without doubt the number one problem facing the black community. Rap music has done 1000 times more harm than the KKK could ever have hoped for.

Anyway.

Ultimately, Hitler was a very polarizing figure as was the Nazi movement. ,Extremism at work and yet, conversely, a system based on certain core values...at least for his self decided 'chosen ones'. Core values that have been eradicated by degrees in the Western world for the last half century.

Oddly enough the polar opposite racists(black) Louis Farrakhan and(white) David Duke BOTH oppose Jews and have praised Nazi ideology. Ironic and thought provoking.

I believe a Brit named Frank Whittle actually made the first jet engine (look for the Gloucester Whittle and later the Meteor), and the V2 rocket was never going anywhere near the moon, it was American funded extrapolations of the rocket technology that made space shots possible. The Nazis were interested in the V2 only as a terror weapon and their technology was almost unrecognizable by the time we got anything properly into space. Sure there were some clever German scientists, but they didn't have the exclusive on smart. Amazing technology comes from many sources during wartime.

The only thing the Nazis actually did right was cleaning up the uniforms. Very spiffy. Their idealism was crass. Also, remember that the German people and Army were predominantly not Nazis. There was a fear factor in the spy structure set up in German society that led them to play along. The German people as a whole knew nothing of the atrocities the Waffen SS were committing, thanks to propaganda. Their initial interest was from the bitterness of the defeat in WWI that Hitler carried with him. He gave them hope, but it was wrapped in lies.

Don't give any credit to the Nazis at all. They were just thugs.

The Nazi's were concerned about where the morality of the world was heading? That is why they did what they did? The world is now in the nightmare state that Hitler and his ilk were trying to prevent?

Wow.

They were stark-raving-mad killers.(PERIOD) Their whole regime was based on survival of the genetic superior and euthanising of the "unfit".
They took the ideas of the American and British Eugenics nuts to the next level.

I guess you could say their cause was one of morality, but you must also define their morals as sick, evil, and twisted.


[edit on 18-3-2010 by primus2012]

Most of the stereotypes you mention are common in the United States.
Some of the issue ethnic groups have...
Well, for a long time in the United States, the only way to be anyone was to be of the majority, or to be white, and Christian.
Even now, we still have a pretty heavy amount of racism, and many people who remember what it used to be like, or still affected by it.


There are many countries in this world, and in them, a fair few of your observations fall flat.