When was Venus first seen?, page 4
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reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 09:26 AM by glitchinmymatrix
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I believe it is important to keep the original intentions in mind of how these words and terms came to be and what they meant in their original context. To me, it's like unearthing a Rosetta stone to discover the true meaning of words.

The ancients worshiped the sun and the stars, so it is certainly no surprise that these "holy texts" (bible, quran, etc) are enormous allegories of celestial events. If there is any meaning to these books at all, it is to be found in the movement of the observable bodies in the sky.


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 02:14 PM by mclinking
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I understand from Daniel Srsa that Venus ONLY appears in the fifth Mayan cycle which started 3114 BC, this explaining why the Mayans referred to its birth. As to where Venus was before, it may have been a moon of Saturn or Jupiter and kicked out by Nibiru on its flyby.( Check out Anton Parks and his story 'Adam Genesis'.) Venus can be a nasty number : on its last transit (2004), there was considerable meteorite activity (check Rumourmillnews archives). Will Hart also has several articles about Venus' previous transits in previous centuries, the SECOND transit being the dodgy one. So watch out for 2012, especially with increasing earth changes.

mclinking


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 02:23 PM by BeastMaster2012
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THANK YOU for the reply. Those are some interesting things i will have to investigate. Like i said awhile ago, i am fascinated with the Birth of Venus and the building of Newgrange. Newgrange, to me, seems to mainly built to calculate Venus. Maybe Venus was a new super bright "star" in which made very strange movements and they wanted to figure out what it was. Newgrange was built within 100 years of the time of the "Birth of Venus".


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 09:48 PM by stereologist
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Could there be a connection between the supposed appearance of Venus and the global change in Earth's calendar from 360 days to 365.24219?

No. The refinement of the calendars has nothing to do with the planets. It has to do with the people taking the measurements.


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 10:10 PM by stereologist
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The ability to determine longitude was not really possible in ancient times. Latitude changes were observed by the Greeks. I think it was Aristotle that knew that the stars appeared higher in the sky as you went south and so he concluded that the Earth was not flat. Erasthothenes learned that a well had the sunlight shine on the water at the bottom of the well at midday. It turns out that the well lies on the Tropic of Cancer. Knowing that a well in Greece dd not get lit up by the sun on that day he measured the angle of the sun and inferred that if the Earth were a sphere then this was the angle between the two wells. Someone was hired to march the distance and count steps. This was used to estimate the distance around the Earth.


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 10:11 PM by BeastMaster2012
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the problem i have with his theory is if earth was hit by Venus, why are Venus and Earth so round? that is my biggest problem.


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 10:17 PM by stereologist
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Hancock is the pole shift guy. Guess what detailed geological research shows no pole shifts have occurred in the last 200 million years.


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 10:20 PM by BeastMaster2012
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I was refering to Velinovsky right above if you are talking about that post. Hancock is the Pyramids are 10,000 years+ old guy.

Charles Hapgood and Rand Flem-ath are the pole shift dudes. I have books from both Hancock and Flem-ath


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 10:23 PM by stereologist
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The names assigned to peoples is based on the things they leave behind. So if one culture makes red pots and someone discovers how to make black pots and then everyone switches we end up seeing red pots replaced by black pots. The red pot culture disappears and the black pot culture replaces it. To later on ask what happened to the red pot culture is asking the wrong question. The question is really why was a culture replaced?



reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 10:43 PM by stereologist
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Actually, Hancock picks up on Hapgood's idea and wrote the Fingerprint of the Gods in which he claims a pole shift. It has been clearly demonstrated that no pole shift was have occurred in the last 200 million years. That is not to say that a pole shift has not occurred. There is a study showing a pole shift at 800 million years ago. That study is being followed up with work to validate the claim and exclude other possible causes for the observed data.


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 10:46 PM by stereologist
Sorry, about all of the other responses as I worked my way through this thread.

It seems that the 2012 date for the end of the Haab calendar is probably wrong.

Too bad: Mayan calendar predictions revised, 2012 becomes 2220

It seems that the Haab calendar shows a connection to the planet Venus. When the predictions of Venus in the calendar were compared to the known positions of Venus a problem was detected. The fix was to have the Haab calendar end in 2220. That fixes the Venus data associated with the Haab calendar.


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 11:13 PM by stereologist
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The one thing we know for sure is that Nibiru does not exist. It is not possible because:

  1. the highly eccentric orbit is unstable
  2. a planet sized object cannot be within 320AU of the sun
  3. kicking out a moon of Saturn would disturb the rings


The meteor claims and second transit appear to be dodgy as well.


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 11:46 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by BeastMaster2012




a thought:

- ESA states that the ions in the Venutian ion tail are in the exact proportions to water (hydrogen and oxygen)

- cometary tails are known to spiral

- water is also known to spiral, while on Earth. there are lots and lots of spirals in ancient times.

- comets are seen as portents of doom in antiquity

- venus is always associated with water

- there are myriad stories of floods in antiquity, many seemingly implausible

- there are signs that support the "expanding earth" theory.

It seems that there is a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting a large transit of water/water vapor being attributed to Venus, and supported by ESA data.

ETA: the symbology of Venus as a female is interesting. During a birth, a womans water breaks. I know, its a stretch...but if we are questioning why Venus is female, in the context of the above....

[edit on 9-5-2010 by bigfatfurrytexan]


reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 11:59 PM by stereologist
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- cometary tails are known to spiral

Can you tell us more about this? I don't believe that comet tails form spirals.

- there are signs that support the "expanding earth" theory.

Can you provide any incite into this, because as far as I know this theory was abandoned decades ago.

It seems that there is a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting a large transit of water/water vapor being attributed to Venus, and supported by ESA data.

I don't see that any of this data suggests a transfer of water to the Earth from Venus.
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