When was Venus first seen?, page 1
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Topic started on 18-3-2010 @ 03:00 PM by BeastMaster2012
Hello all, this is my first thread! I am fascinated with the planet venus and have a few questions on this for future threads.

First, some fun Venus facts!


  • Venus is the brightest object in the sky besides the sun and our moon
  • it is sometimes called Earth's "sister planet" because they are similar in size, gravity, and bulk composition
  • A younger Venus is believed to have possessed Earth-like oceans
  • known as the Morning Star and the Evening Star
  • Venus can be so bright it casts shadows. The Knights Templar / freemasons knew this and built it into the Rosslyn Chapel.
  • Every 8 years, earth and venus "kiss" each other. This is called conjunctions. If you look at the image below, you can see each kiss plotted out will make a pentagram.
  • the 584-day average interval between successive close approaches to the Earth is almost exactly equal to five Venusian solar days.



My first question is when was Venus first observed?

Mayans and Venus
We know that the mayans were super obsessed with venus:

The Maya began their Long Count on what they referred to as the ‘Birth of Venus.’ Scholars have never been able to determine what the Maya were referring to and neither have alternative researchers. Nevertheless their sacred calendar, the Tzolkin, placed the synodic cycles of Venus in a central role. The 104-year ‘Venus Round’ cycle (2 Calendar Rounds of 52 years each), was a very important ceremonial event as this was the point in time when the solar and sacred calendars realigned with the cycle of Venus.



So the beginning of this ancient calendar started with the "birth of venus? It is interesting to note also that the transit of venus, which has happened only 5 times in the last 500 years (and also happens in pairs, 8 years apart) will happen again in 2012. It is too bad the transit doesn't happen on December 21st, it will hapen June 5th. Link 1 & 2

There is so much more to the Venus story and mayans AND mesoamericans but that is for another thread.

Babylonian version of Venus - link 3


Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa - The Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa recovered from the library at Nineveh, is a 7th century BC cuneiform tablet that bears much older (Bronze Age) records of the rise times of Venus and its first and last visibility on the horizon before or after sunrise and sunset in the form of lunar dates.


So the Mesoamericans and the Sumerians were well aware of Venus in ancient days. Also the Hindus were aware of it, along with the Egyptians.

Native americans view: link 4

They viewed Venus differently depending on when it appeared. As the morning star it was good, and as the evening star it was feared because it represented the underworld.

Newgrange's Groovewar people & Venus:

Newgrange, which was built in 3200BC, had venus in mind. Every 8 years the light from venus could be seen inside Newgrange.

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So there is a little background on Venus, keyword LITTLE. There is so much to be learned about the planet and i am fascinated with how much the ancients were fascinated with it.

My first question, which i will state again, is when were humans first recording records of Venus?

From this basic research, it seems that the newgrange site is the first to really keep track of Venus. I have read the Book of Hiram which talks heavily about Venus and i was wondering if anyone else has read this. You can read a summary here:
www.unexplained-mysteries.com...


Read more here:
link 1: www.lunarplanner.com...
Link 2: en.wikipedia.org...
Link 3: www.absoluteastronomy.com...
link 4: ancientx.com...


reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 03:19 PM by kidflash2008
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Interesting post as Venus is also associated with Goddesses of Love in many cultures also. I do wonder why Venus has always been associated with love and Mars war? Is it the color the planets show to us on Terra?

All very interesting stuff.



reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 04:09 PM by thehoneycomb
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The transit of venus happens precisly where the galactic alignment will appear it is also where the winter solstice occurs. If you can make it to the southern hemisphere, you could catch a very good view.


reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 01:58 AM by BeastMaster2012
Originally posted by thehoneycomb
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post by BeastMaster2012



The transit of venus happens precisly where the galactic alignment will appear it is also where the winter solstice occurs. If you can make it to the southern hemisphere, you could catch a very good view.


ummm wow.. this sounds like the most amazing site to see!?!? Is this going to be a very big deal? I do photography, i may have to shoot this!

[edit on 19-3-2010 by BeastMaster2012]


reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 02:14 AM by Solasis
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I don't think there's any need to think that there's any interculture influence being evidenced by the Newgrange site. The question the OP is leading us to is more along the lines of "did Venus not exist before this time?!" We can see Venus easily with the naked eye, so the mayans didn't need anyone to point it out to them.


reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 02:45 AM by letthereaderunderstand
Here are words Etymologically tied with venus...

www.etymonline.com...
Venus Look up Venus at Dictionary.com
O.E., from L. Venus (pl. veneres), in ancient Roman mythology, the goddess of beauty and love, especially sensual love, from venus "love, sexual desire, loveliness, beauty, charm," from PIE base *wen- "to strive after, wish, desire, be satisfied" (cf. Skt. vanas- "desire," vanati "desires, loves, wins;" Avestan vanaiti "he wishes, is victorious;" O.E. wynn "joy," wunian "to dwell," wenian "to accustom, train, wean," wyscan "to wish"). Applied by the Romans to Gk. Aphrodite, Egyptian Hathor, etc. Meaning "second planet from the sun" is attested from late 13c. (O.E. had morgensteorra and æfensteorra). The venus fly-trap (Dionæa muscipula) was discovered 1760 by Gov. Arthur Dobbs in North Carolina and description sent to Collinson in England. The Algonquian name for the plant, titipiwitshile, yielded regional Amer.Eng. tippity wichity.

venial Look up venial at Dictionary.com
c.1300, from O.Fr. venial, from L. venialis "pardonable," from venia "forgiveness, indulgence, pardon," related to venus "sexual love, desire" (see Venus).

venereal Look up venereal at Dictionary.com
early 15c., "of or pertaining to sexual desire or intercourse," from L. venereus, from venus (gen. veneris) "sexual love, sexual desire" (see Venus). Used of sexually transmitted diseases from 1650s.

venom Look up venom at Dictionary.com
early 13c., from Anglo-Fr. and O.Fr. venim, from V.L. *venimen, from L. venenum "poison, drug, potion," perhaps ultimately connected to venus "erotic love" (see Venus), in which case the original meaning might have been "love potion." The meaning "bitter, virulent feeling or language" is first recorded c.1300.

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[edit on Tue Mar 23 2010 by Jbird]



reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 03:19 AM by letthereaderunderstand
Quoting External Sources - Please Review This Link

Sorry for the lag, had some things to do.

Peace

[edit on Tue Mar 23 2010 by Jbird]


reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 07:46 AM by Devino
reply to post by BeastMaster2012


My first question is when was Venus first observed?

This is a very good question and one might be able to find evidence that the planet Venus was first observed in fairly resent history.

I had always thought, as we were told, that all of the planets have been in their present orbits for around 4.5 billion years therefore I considered the planet Venus to be very boring for astronomical study. That was until I read a thread here on ATS about Venus possibly once having been a comet. It was from the research I did on this question that I quickly found Venus to be far from boring. Some of what I learned is posted in the thread, "Was The Planet Venus a Comet?"

The orbital mechanics of Earth/Venus resonance and tidal locking now has made it one of the most interesting planets for study in my opinion. Not only does Venus align with Earth 5 times every 8 years to create a pentagram as you have pointed out,

the same side faces Earth during each of these synodic alignments (or inferior conjunctions), "Venus Tidal locking", and it nearly realigns back to the original position (off by 2.44 days).

This Earth/Venus synodic pentagram (8 years) slowly advances clockwise by 2.44 days which is commensurate with Venus' rotation (also clockwise in just over 243 days) in a very predictable transit recurrence cycle of 243 years. A complete realignment of these transit cycles takes 1215 years (243 x 5=1215).

I have a hard time thinking that these commensurate orbital/rational cycles between Earth and Venus are just a coincidence (2.44 days- 243 days- 243 yrs). The discrepancy between 2.44 days and 2.43 is due to another motion between these two planets, the slow migration of the orbital nodes which cause Venus to transit the Sun.


Here are some more fun facts about the planet Venus;

  • Venus is the closest planet to Earth.
  • Venus has an ion tail similar to comets that touch the Earth during transits.
  • Venus has no magnetic field protecting its atmosphere from the Sun's solar wind yet this atmosphere is 90 times more dense than Earth's.
  • The surface of Venus appears to have undergone a global resurfacing in the recent past.


The connection between Venus to ancient myths, culture, calendars and apocalyptic events is staggering. The planet Venus seems to have been associated in a very big way to an unveiling of sacred knowledge yet today we regard all of this as pseudo-science or superstitious nonsense.
Could there be a connection between the supposed appearance of Venus and the global change in Earth's calendar from 360 days to 365.24219?


reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 10:35 AM by InfaRedMan
Originally posted by kidflash2008
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post by BeastMaster2012


I do wonder why Venus has always been associated with love


Simple! Because you can be burned and crushed by it!

IRM


reply posted on 19-3-2010 @ 02:10 PM by thehoneycomb
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It is pretty amazing. There are images posted of the 2004 transit of venus passing in front of the sun online.The best view would be down near equador or Chile, where you can also view the galactic alignement.
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