I'm starting to think its time to shade to another website, cause this one seems to be drastically taken up by islamist radicals these days. Yeah Isreal responded, and with force unlike the rockets. But as the old saying goes " if your going to poke the tiger, be prepared to deal with its claws".

Constant poking and proding on both sides , is what sets us up for the whos's right argument everytime there is a slight blip on the radar in the ME. It's a simple fact that if there we're no rockets at civilian sites in Isreal there would be no response from F-16 fighters plain and simple. They only respond to attacks. I'd like to see some source articles that show the Isrealis' as the aggressor, just attacking for sh**s and giggles. Doesn't ever come across as that way because one is blindly firing highly unaccurate ordinance into towns and villages. And on the otherside the isrealis are using guided missles to strike where the rocket came from, not just firing into the civilian population. Terrible Isrealis!

I agree there has to be better ways to deal with things and its hard to hold each side responsible for the actions of a few. But this is ridiculas to claim this is the start of it all, when on a regular basis you see this exact same scenario play out month after month. Rocket hits a house scars a person, jets scramble take out the site the rocket came from, all you people scream bloody murder, shame on Isreal. Then theres peace and quiet for a bit, then another rocket, same game plays out, bloody murder, shame Isreal.

Just keep poking the tiger and calling for diplomacy seems like the best solution right?

Originally posted by SaneThinking
I'm starting to think its time to shade to another website, cause this one seems to be drastically taken up by islamist radicals these days. Yeah Isreal responded, and with force unlike the rockets. But as the old saying goes " if your going to poke the tiger, be prepared to deal with its claws".

Ignore the ones who seem to have an agenda and look at the bigger picture. If the Israeli Government loses it's perceived status then all bets are off. That tiger could go rogue on the US and EU.

If Obama cannot hold Israel to any sort of peace reform then the ME will be lit up.

Stay tuned.

Originally posted by Crakeur
so, let me get this straight. If Mexico were to shoot a rocket into Texas, y'all think the US would be better served doing nothing? Talking with the Mexican government about their first strike?

Israel is no innocent but they respond when provoked, as should anyone. Hamas is shooting rockets against an enemy that is far better equipped. They're morons. Would any of you walk up to Mike Tyson, in his prime, and try and sucker punch him? Would you expect him to ask you to discuss the problem or would you expect him to unleash a few jabs, possibly an uppercut?

I do recall an entire nation screaming for blood after 9/11. Nobody knew where to go but they knew they had to. If you get pushed, you push back, lest you wind up being pushed around.

Yay, at last, somebody who understands the situation and is living on planet Earth.

Israel will not fire back silly little rockets because they probably don't have them. A few bigger ones back should normally do the trick and shut the Muppets in Gaza up. But as the poster says, they're morons and need to be taught a lesson, at last!

Originally posted by SaneThinking
I'm starting to think its time to shade to another website, cause this one seems to be drastically taken up by islamist radicals these days. Yeah Isreal responded, and with force unlike the rockets. But as the old saying goes " if your going to poke the tiger, be prepared to deal with its claws".

so you speak out against Israel, you must be the following now

before it was

Muslim
Anti semetic
Anti Jewish
Anti Israeli
Racist

Now its also

Islamic radical.

wow thats alot of BS coming from one person

well dont let the door hit you where the good lord split ya.

Originally posted by Mdv2
Any bias is ignorant. Not just the Iran apologists, also those who believe that Israel is merely protecting itself have no clue. Like I previously said, this conflict is not as black an white as these foolish pro-Israel and pro-Islam/Palestine camps attempt to make it look like.

firstly you know i am not that pro anyone (see my previous replies i will attack Iran and Israel and so forth

i would also Add Pro Jews/Israel if your going for Pro Muslim/Palestine
one thing i dont get though from some people is why they just use religion
fair play if both Israel and palestinians were both one faith each 100%
which we know is BS







[edit on 18-3-2010 by illusive man]

Is there a mystery with dead Thai man?

I have to talk now from one of the most important key factor in all politics and war, and that is timing - once again - "it was like a gift from the gods" - for those who are driving aggressive agenda towards Palestinians.

First death in a year - Just now - same week when palestinians had their "day of rage", West Bank is closed, and police is placed to streets, Media coverage is granted with EU minister over there... and yes, there are many forces driving situation to further escalation.

And then it comes - Excuse for Israeli retaliations - A dead man.

He was not Israeli - but a Thai man... And no, rocket didnt hit him to pieces like we first obviously think, but he died later in hospital, that is by news reports. To his family is already granted full government financial support, it was also in news... Sounds strange?

No - I didnt say it.

There is only two choices - coincidence or not.

Just think about it.

[edit on 18-3-2010 by JanusFIN]

Originally posted by Romans 10:9
I don't blame Israel for a swift retaliation.
Living in a constant state of rocket bombardment and suicide bombers will tend to keep a country at edge, and ready for swift counter attack.

Sorry my friend but this is the absolute wrong answer. I agree that it sucks that they are bombed constantly (by rockets that do very little damage actually). However, to respond so quickly and blindly is wrong. A mortar shell hits and damages (I say damage because they are rarely strong enough to destroy) a house and possibly injure/kill someone (not saying that's right either). Then they THINK they know where the shell originated from (in other words, A BIG GUESS) and they call in the BIG GUNS which do about 5 times the amount of damage each bomb than the mortar or rockets do. In a spot that MAY have been the origination point of the mortar/rocket.

Do you not see the wrongness of this response? Seriously.

It was kind of like a country going to war with another country because guys from yet another country flew, let's say, planes into their buildings. Now that would be retarded.

Originally posted by illusive man
its ironic if one person doesnt like the views of others they will attack an entire group or site when they run out of ideas or anything constructive to say

Or attack a POSTER rather than attack the content of that persons' post...

There are a few examples of this on the most recent page or two of this thread and they have been made by one person only...This person has a long history of "playing the man and not the ball" on ATS, so its hardly surprising...

The really unique thing, is that no matter what the opinion of all posters, Israel will do as she wishes, as will Hamas, and the palestinians, so with all the discussion as to what's right, and what's wrong, or who should do this or that, life goes on, and rockets fall, and planes attack, so what's the point???

It's as though all your post's do not seem to change anything, other than, who get's along with whom, in this format here, no one is solving anything, myself included.

I would like to add my thoughts on this. Some people will obviously hate
what I am writing, but too bad. And yes, I am basing my beliefs entirely on
what the Bible has written within. That same Bible that is called fairy tales
and myth by so many people.

Israel will NEVER be wiped off the map no matter what any country or
madman thinks. It truly is God's land and His people. Sure, the Jews will
take some large hits, but they will lick their wounds and go on. God will
never allow any country or groups of countries to destroy Israel in any
way, shape or form. If you don't believe this, that is alright. Just remember
in a few months or years or decades, however long it takes, what is
said in the Bible will come true. Israel is not going anywhere. Someone on
this thread suggested that all the Jews should move to Germany, France,
or somewhere in Europe. That also will never happen.

God will step in and save Israel and its people, no matter what happens.
Countries can drop all the bombs and rockets they want on that country
and the Jews will not go anywhere. Please don't attack me and call me
looney and dilusional, because you will be calling God those things. It
doesn't matter what you think of me, because in the end the believers and
followers of Biblical Scripture will be able to say, "we win".

I pray for Israel and its people regularly, and I will put my last dollar on
them. And I am a Christian and proud of it. I love Israel.

Originally posted by Crakeur
so, let me get this straight. If Mexico were to shoot a rocket into Texas, y'all think the US would be better served doing nothing? Talking with the Mexican government about their first strike?

Israel is no innocent but they respond when provoked, as should anyone. Hamas is shooting rockets against an enemy that is far better equipped. They're morons. Would any of you walk up to Mike Tyson, in his prime, and try and sucker punch him? Would you expect him to ask you to discuss the problem or would you expect him to unleash a few jabs, possibly an uppercut?

I do recall an entire nation screaming for blood after 9/11. Nobody knew where to go but they knew they had to. If you get pushed, you push back, lest you wind up being pushed around.

Excellent point!

When speaking about Israel, people tend to use words like:

-- disproportionate response
-- investigate first
-- it was only a minor bomb that hit them....

What the heck is a proportionate response to being attacked? Repeatedly? For decades?

Further, if the general viewpoint is that Israel "overreacts" and "bombs anything that moves", why would any legit person or group continue to screw with them?

Crakeur made an excellent point above.

When 9/11 happened, the majority of Americans wanted nothing more than to have Bin Laden's head on a platter -- at any cost.

I don't recall hearing too many "perhaps we should investigate a little further and talk first" then. Nope -- we wanted blood for blood. We wanted him dead or alive.

When one chooses to mess with fire, one will generally get burned. Hamas should take note.