a reply to: litmuspaper
Well I just got home and clicked the link but "this video is not available."
Bummer, as I've seen the movie (I'm pretty sure this isn't the 1st "Eyes Wide Shut" thread on ATS) and was looking forward to checking it out.
In reply to the OP anyways, I didn't think "the existence of the Illuminati and other secret societies" was in question at all...is it?
How many of you have simply gone to the library and looked it up in an encyclopedia from the 1800's like in the big one in downtown Chicago and read
the entry on the Illuminati? It's not very difficult...
But what IS difficult is that despite that indisputable evidence, and much more which clearly shows multiple
groups with the title, there are
people who just will never accept it as fact -
My ex-girlfriend's mom is or was good friends with Robert Shea. He co-wrote "The Illuminatus Trilogy" with good 'ol Bob Dobbs, better known as Robert
Well, at a dinner party I guess Shea convinced the family of the same story Bob Wilson liked to tell - that they made it all up, and there IS NO
So i told her that I had gone to the library, just blocks from Bob's old office at the old Playboy HQ in downtown Chitown, which we call "the Loop,"
where I'm sure a novelist would spend plenty of time researching in the days before the Interwebs, and I told her there was an entry in the
Encyclopedia Brittanica from the early 1800's on "The Bavarian Illuminati," naming Weishaupt and everything.
And guess what?! She still believes the Bobs and refused to come check it out herself, because people are f'n idiots.
And this woman is a 3rd generation (at least) Wiccan who claims to be of a rational and open mind.
So I guess I proved her wrong twice that day (at least lol).
Anyway, I didn't know that the existence of The Illuminati was up for debate, let alone "other secret societies."
I'm not sure which other ones might be debatable, but I'm pretty sure the ones I belong to and visit the lodges of are quite real.
Now, I've never seen or participated in any of the sex-magick personally, or GOD forbid, abuse, and this isn't an attempt to take this thread
off-topic or derail, by any means - I know it happens in certain circles - not mine.
I REALLY wish I could see the video and determine how much of the "debatable" part is just the words of the OP or the video, but since it's gone, I
can't, and therefore can't do more than tell you that story - if anyone has another link, or had the common sense to download it and then re-upload
it, please do let us know!
We all know about the Grove, and Kubrick likely filming the "moon landing" (can of worms alert lol.)
However I and I'm sure many others here will agree, that intentionally or not, the words "other secret societies" and the implications that any and
all members of said societies which OTHERS call secret (and even question the actual existence of!) because they don't understand relatively simple
things like etymology or physics or theologies, are ALL involved in immoral practices, is offensive to those of us who are members of said groups.
Usually we just sit around and talk about new scientific discoveries which have proven metaphysical "theories" correct, debate Chakra theories and
correlations, or explain to newbs what "meditate on it" means, and the meetings' over by 9pm. Sorry to disappoint you, but that's the truth.
edit on 25-1-2015 by KAOStheory because: typos - again - sorry