Amazing analysis of Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut"

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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 12:19 AM
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I purchased this EWS Video a few months ago after listening to Jay Weidner on Rense.com, after much boredom the other day I finally watched it and was quite impacted by the content. Weidner was right when he said Kubrick was trying to get a message out and it was clear that it was about a Secret Society. Weidner has claimed that Kubrick had another film in the works before he died. After viewing this video I researched the filming locations and found that the Somerset Mansion used as the exterior scene of the Orgy was in fact Mentmore Towers which was built by Baron Mayer de Rothschild and remains in the family today, now hows that for slapping the Rothschild's in the face. There was also another Rothschild structure used but I've forgotten what it was now.

Filming Locations

Structure exterior used for the Orgy scene




posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 01:41 AM
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Very interesting thread. Many different theories thrown out there that I haven't thought of. I really like the dream vs real life theory personally.

To throw something totally different out there regarding this, I will fill you guys on some back "gossip" surrounding this. And also some of my own thoughts.

** I'll own it! I love me some gossip blogs!!
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Okay when this movie first started filming, I remember the Cruises moved to England and that the movie took well over a year to film (I want to say two but don't quote me on this) Things were very hush hush and very little was being "leaked" out about this movie.

Then SK died and I do remember them floating out the usual stuff.. the best movie made ever ect. And then small rumblings of "Gee SK didn't finish the movie so they had to patch it together. (this could have possibly been the start of some sort of spin control)

When the movie failed to deliver the box office numbers, the rumblings about this movie and production grew even louder. I remember then starting to hear things like Tom had to really convince Nic to do this movie, she didn't want to, thought it would be a bad career move. I also remember hearing/reading that she didn't really "get SK" and tried to follow what ever "vision" SK had for this and that she was very uncomfortable with the direction it headed in.(personally I got a real big vibe that she was very uncomfortable near SK and with this whole project).. then more rumblings about how Tom thought SK walked on water and became very devoted to him. And they developed a close relationship while filming.

Anywhoo.. they both took a big ole publicity hit from this movie.

Cut to 2001 when the sudden split was announced all hell broke loose
Rumors began to fly that this was part of their undoing.. and she miscarried during the whole "shock to the World" and all Tom would say is "Nic knew what she did" And the speculation started on who could possibly be the father, since Tom was supposedy unable to father a child.

Anthony Pellicano (aka henchman to the stars) supposedly had tapes of them arguing and distraught and quite worried about what information he had. (Anthony was later charged with wire tapping and tons of Hollywood was dragged into this mess and freaking out)

And to make things more interesting rumors began to fly that Tom was actually gay (not that there is anything wrong with that) and that it was the end of the arranged marriage, and Tom was quickly paired up with Penelopy Cruz.

Then before the Tom/Kat phase, word got out that meetings of "young starlettes" were being set up under the guise of "making a movie with Tom Cruise" but were actually wife hunting missions. Scarlett Johanson publicly said she went to one of these thinking it was about a movie but wised up when it was at the COS and she pretty much got the hell out of there. However Katie Holmes hitched her star to this ride.
Cue in the infamous couch jumping on Oprah and the firing of his long time PR person and hires his Sister (who is also COS) and all hell breaks loose. If this is another 10 year contract... time will tell. And Tom's crazy Xenu tape that was "released" where he looks crazy didn't help matters either.

Is any of this true? I don't know, but it does make you wonder just what he did to peeve off Xenu to be allowed to fall from grace.

So with that little back story added to this breakdown of the movie.. one has to ask which is most troubling, which is more interesting.. and perhaps life is most def stranger than fiction.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Justaposter
And the speculation started on who could possibly be the father, since Tom was supposedy unable to father a child.
I have a friend who was working in the Cedars Sinai fertility clinic at that time, and can confirm that Tom was the reason they couldn't have kids.


Then before the Tom/Kat phase, word got out that meetings of "young starlettes" were being set up under the guise of "making a movie with Tom Cruise" but were actually wife hunting missions. Scarlett Johanson publicly said she went to one of these thinking it was about a movie but wised up when it was at the COS and she pretty much got the hell out of there. However Katie Holmes hitched her star to this ride.
Cue in the infamous couch jumping on Oprah and the firing of his long time PR person and hires his Sister (who is also COS) and all hell breaks loose. If this is another 10 year contract... time will tell. And Tom's crazy Xenu tape that was "released" where he looks crazy didn't help matters either.
My favorite related conspiracy is that the COS used the frozen sperm of L. Ron Hubbard to impregnate Katie, making Suri the heir to the Scientology empire...



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
My favorite related conspiracy is that the COS used the frozen sperm of L. Ron Hubbard to impregnate Katie, making Suri the heir to the Scientology empire...


Wait, I thought it was Stan Marsh?



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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Lifting the thread quite a bit... it's an interesting case.

First, I apologize for any possible overlap with previous posts.
Secondly, sorry for not describing the following findings in any particular order...

Some thoughts on the kubristic details. Not all of these are mine, the subject's already well covered elsewhere... I'm not going to point to the exact links or locations in the movie, I assume everyone interested takes the trouble of watching EWS and searching the web.

I'm writing this just to make my point that there are things in this movie you should study further. It's not just your everyday soft-whatever-relationship-dream-psychology-adventure film.

Generally, look for stuff whenever you see christmas decorations, christmas lights or red color.

One of the first things you may notice is when Bill enters the ”christmas party” and is ready to greet Ziegler and his wife, he walks into the room in a christ-like pose. You may freeze-frame him so that the 8-pointed star becomes a sort of halo around his head. A reference to christ or antichrist?

Elsewhere in the movie many characters address Bill with the words ”my god”. At the clinic Bill asks a boy ”Looking forward to Christmas?” The boy's looking directly at Bill and answers ”Yeah”. Does that sight test image on the background wall have standard letters or not?

While dancing, Szavost tells Alice Ziegler has a ”wonderful collection of Renaissance bronzes”. You can spot some of those small statues in various scenes. Bill has one on his windowsill at work. What do they represent?

At the shopping mall scene there's a ”magic circle” and a statement saying ”stairs to all floors”. You can actually see a magic circle with pentagrams (hanging from the ceiling). A reference? What about the barbie in a box with a pentagram?

The christmas theme – saturnian cult? The christmas stars in this film are octagrams and pentagrams.

Take a good look at various street numbers. Masonry and important numbers...

Also study many of the shop names in the street shots; Mancini's, The Artinis Gallery, Nicon House, Val D'or LTD, Donnelley House, Manning & Bowman, James Tobias Lomas Inc (at street number seven), to name a few...

This goes a bit far, but... As Bill is trying to escape the bald-headed man, he buys a magazine saying ”Lucky to be alive”. As he steps up the stairs to a cafe, watch at the staircase on the background. Christmas lights make an ”S” resembling the nazi SS mark. Also notice the light as he enters a small cafe – it's also in Ziegler's apartment. As he exits, there's a restaurant named ”Verona Restaurant”. Also, as Bill tries to call for a taxi, the taxi actually drives past him while he makes the famous salute. Could Kubrick hint to the theories about nazis that escaped the WWII aftermath? What about the ”A Hint of Lace” shop? Bill takes a long look at it.

The Ziegler party - the two girls: Who or what is Nuala Windsor? The British royals... Bill remembers the other girl was doing a photo session in Rockefeller Plaza and she got something in her eye, ”Just about half of Fifth Avenue”. What's located at the halfway of 5th ave? Or, does Rockefeller control just about half of the businesses on 5th ave? The girls also ask Bill whether he wants to go where the rainbow ends. Windsor – monarch – rainbow – mk ultra... or just the costume shop under the rainbow where a guy pimps his underaged daughter to a bunch of crossdressing asian guys?
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posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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All the paintings on the walls in this movie... I've tried to track them down. Some are works by Kubrick's wife, some are not. Take the mansion orgy scenes for example. Many viewers are offended by the action presented there; actually the scenes are shot so that the camera spins through at an angle that's nice for viewing the artwork. Many portraits. Who are they? Who painted them? (This is a challenge – can anyone here identify some of those?)
Also many portraits in Ziegler's pool room. Do they have any meaning?

What's the modern painting behind Bill in the elevator?

The Ziegler bathroom scene. Why did he do what he did, at this time, on christmas? Was it a ritual?Is that what Szavost was proposing to Alice when they were dancing? What's with the position of the woman and the woman in the painting? What's the painting above the armchair, a tree of life? Also, what do the pictures behind the bath tub represent? Human DNA chain? See the blue towels... triangular. Remind us of masonic symbols? The fireplace also has some nice decorations – any meaning for those?

Alice and Bill have many paintings showing sunflowers or garden ports.

Alice's seen through the mirror - ”Alice through the looking glass”. Look at the many hand positions she shows in front of the mirror.

There are also many other interesting hand positions in this movie. Keep an eye on Ziegler and Bill.

Back at the Ziegler's party, as Bill and one of Ziegler's men head to the stairs, you can spot inverse triangles (the angels statue's wings and the legs of a guest sitting by the table).

As Bill enters his office, one of the christmas cards at the reception shows clearly a pyramid with many levels.

Lou Nathanson's place is full of symbolism. The head with glowing eyes. The windows. The small buddha(?) statues on the tables (of which another disappears later)... The doorways...

The Nathanson bedroom scene has some interesting stuff. Fleur de lis all over the walls... The bed itself, the paintings, one of the Renaissance bronzes, Marion's necklace.

While Bill passes a christmas gift shop, you might notice inverse 6 three times. Also there's a goat in the _

What's with the prostitute having many masks and a book titled ”Introducing Sociology” in her room?

How many times can you spot the tagged blue mailbox?

Nick Nightingale – a reference to nightingale (the myth) ?

When Bill enters Nightingale's bar, a sign says ”All exits are final”.

The costume shop has some interesting costumes. Later, as Bill returns, many things are in different places!
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posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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While driving to Somerton, there are many triangle shapes on the way.

Orb, an old symbol of power, decorates the Somerton gates.

Somerton is actually a former Rothschild mansion. Scenes of Batman Begins were also shot there.

Somerton: The masked man at the balcony staring at Bill resembles a statue in Milton Keynes.

Somerton: Symbolism on the Red Cape's chair...Ordo Ab Chabo.

The man at the Hotel reception is confusing. Was he at the masked ball (a male couple dancing) ? Look closely at what he does with his hands. Many symbols. Especially disturbing is when he shows his wrist with a sort of bracelet wrapped around it. He looks straight at the camera. Is he showing it to us, to the viewer?

When Bill returns to Somerton, he drives under a highway sign saying ”Glen Cove Rd.” Glen Cove was a place of Bilderberg meeting in 1990.

The Somerton gate has a symbol we can see in ...Philip LeMarchand's Mason's Keystone, ha ha.

On a street with the bald man: A street sign saying ”Stop CMB”. This can relate to many things, like Cosmic Microwave Background radiation for example.

At the hospital reception you can read ”direct... information”. What does this refer to and is it directed to Bill or to us?

Okay, the last one's just for weird fun: The bass player's shadow at the club is an evil rabbit! Ha ha
Oh, wait. Did I see Bugs Bunny playing on TV at Bill's home? This must be something...

Also take a look at this site forum.prisonplanet.com... .



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 02:22 PM
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A couple of somehow related links:

Artinis: en.wikipedia.org...

”Just about half of Fifth Avenue”: en.wikipedia.org...

Renaissance Bronzes: en.wikipedia.org...

Jazz and the elite: en.wikipedia.org...

One famous Donnelley: en.wikipedia.org...

Bill's daughter refers to The Nutcracker, another christmas story and what else... en.wikipedia.org...

Val D'or: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Most disturbing movie I've ever seen... It's almost as if I personally witnessed the Illuminati's sex ritual.

Sometimes it's just better to remain ignorant on certain subjects, because I really don't want to know what these devils do behind closed doors (these images can stay with you)

Kubrick really does do some interesting work however.

Some people tend to think Space Odyssey 2001 foreshadowed elements of 9/11.

forum.prisonplanet.com...

I don't know man... those are some weird coincidences. (Not to mention he got the year right on his movie title.)



That has got around. It's my post originally, took some research from two diametrically opposed parties, Michael A. Hoffman II & Chris Knowles of the Secret Sun Blogspot, added some elements of my own.
That post can be found in a far more complete format and with much added by other ATSers here:

9/11 - The American Continent as Monolithic Grimoire of the Cryptocracy

See Chris Knowles's specific work on this which formed the backbone of my little synchromystic experiment, together with Hoffman's ideas.

Stairway to Sirius: Death and Restoration Part 1

Stairway to Sirius: Death and Restoration Part 2

Stairway to Sirius: Death and Restoration Part 3

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Some intriguing possibilities there. Thanks.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 01:21 AM
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Just bumping this thread because I found this new interview with Jay Weidner...









Wow, it's just intriguing to hear some of these ideas.



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 09:32 AM
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where's the rest of that interview?



posted on Mar, 9 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by doobiefillin
where's the rest of that interview?


Yup, thats only the first hour. I will keep looking for the remaining parts to see if anyone post them. If I come across them, I'll make sure to get them into this thread.
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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Yes you are correct regarding the filming location.

I had read somewhere that the Rothchild's owns most of the land in Buckinghamshire which coincidently is where the Hellfire Caves are where real life Sex Magic rituals took place.

The Hellfire club


The caves were used solely as a meeting place for Sir Francis Dashwood's notorious Hellfire Club, whose members included various politically and socially important 18th century figures such as William Hogarth, John Wilkes, Thomas Potter and John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich. Though not believed to be a member, Benjamin Franklin was a close friend to Dashwood who visited the caves on more than one occasion. The Hell Fire Club had previously used Medmenham Abbey, eight miles away from West Wycombe and situated on the River Thames, as a meeting place, but the caves at West Wycombe were later used for meetings in the 1750s and early 1760s.





According to Horace Walpole, the members' "practice was rigorously pagan: Bacchus and Venus were the deities to whom they almost publicly sacrificed; and the nymphs and the hogsheads that were laid in against the festivals of this new church, sufficiently informed the neighbourhood of the complexion of those hermits." Dashwood's garden at West Wycombe contained numerous statues and shrines to different gods; Daphne and Flora, Priapus and the previously mentioned Venus and Dionysus.





Meetings occurred twice a month, with an AGM lasting a week or more in June or September. The members addressed each other as "Brothers" and the leader, which changed regularly, as "Abbot". During meetings members supposedly wore ritual clothing: white trousers, jacket and cap, while the "Abbot" wore a red ensemble of the same style. Many rumours of black magic, satanic rituals and orgies were in circulation when the club was around. Other clubs, especially in Ireland and Scotland, were rumoured to take part in far more dubious activities. Rumours saw female "guests" (a euphemism for prostitutes) referred to as "Nuns". Dashwood's Club meetings often included mock rituals, items of a pornographic nature, much drinking, wenching and banqueting.


From wikipedia





Also the masked sculpture that you are refering which is also in MK - Buckinghamshire can be seen in the link below which is spookingly very similar to one of the masks in the film, cant find much info of the artists or who commissioned the sculpture.

Some even speculate that MK ( Milton Keynes ) is also an MK Ultra experiment but would be very hard to find evidence of that. It is a bit messed up place though with a huge drug problem.





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posted on Aug, 20 2011 @ 04:51 AM
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Here's an interesting fact that no one has brought out, although small.

At 1:30:20, there is an eye deliberately put on the back of Bill Harford (Tom Cruise) after he arrives home from the masked "party".

At 1:08:30, Leelee Sobieski whispers something inaudible to Bill Harford, with subtitles on she mentions he should pick a cloak with ermine lining.

Just thought I would shed some light on a topic that still holds people in mystification.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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Bill=Odysseus (cunning when needed and hubris). Alice=Venus (see the hair/Venus de Milo statue) & (the poses in front of the mirror/Botticelli's Birth Of Venus). The daughter is named Helena=Hellenization the spread of Greek culture through the world. The story is Bill's mythological hero cycle. His ultimate boon is his discovering he was married all along to a goddess, hence the title. The film is a myth set in the modern day.

Google monomyth and you'll see EWS adheres to it point to point.

Some other references and jokes

Harford-The book Full Metal Jacket was based on was written by Gustav Hasford. Just a joke I think.

The orgy=mythological labyrinth

The New York Post-the headlines read LUCKY TO BE ALIVE and COOL . . . references to Greek Chorus as are the signs in the department store in the last scene.

The Roman poet Ovid is mentioned by the Hungarian and some myth characters from his work are alluded to: Nightingale, Echo (characters frequently repeat what was just said to them in an odd way) and Narcissus (mirrors!).

The Hungarian's name Sandor Szvatos I think references Hungarian psychoanalyst Sándor Ferenczi who pioneered behavioral activation to help his patients. Alice's problem is sexual frustration and Sandor offers to help her with that.


There are some Jungian references to architecture and where Bill's sex encounters take place in relation to the floor/level.

The story is set in New York in name only. It is a mythological world not the real New York.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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it is fiction, right ?

referencing something does not make it factually accurate or real

I don't expect to meet hobbits in the woods either....



posted on Mar, 30 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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I just learned that the mansion in EWS was once owned by the Rothschilds, this is extremely disturbing, as I'm sure the scenes we saw in that film, at one point took place in a very real and horrific fashion.

The fact that the movie was shot in this location is a clear indication that Kubrick intended to bring the truth of the illuminati to light, and for this he paid with his life.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by Wewillallbefree
I just learned that the mansion in EWS was once owned by the Rothschilds...


Guess you did not really look into what you heard.

They used two structures for the interior scenes. The first is Elevden Hall which was never owned by the Rothschilds and the other was the Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, obviously not owned by the Rothchilds as well.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 11:59 PM
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This is easily one of my favorite movies of all time, very deep and complex. There is so much to it, you can analyze things all day. I do, however, find it funny that people feel this need to look for "Illuminati symbolism" when there really is no need. There isn't much that is hidden in the film, it's all right there if you pay attention and have a critical enough mind to analyze a complex film.

If you watch the film you get the message, simple as that. It says a lot of things on many levels but I don't think any of that has to do with giving us secret clues about the illuminati.



posted on Feb, 10 2013 @ 11:30 PM
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Surprised that this thread hasn't gotten more comments with recent news events of late.



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