Thai protesters pour own blood outside government

Thai protesters pour own blood outside government

www.etaiwannews.com

Thai protesters poured several jugs of their own blood on the front gate of the government headquarters yesterday in a symbolic sacrifice to press their demands for new elections.

Thousands of red-shirted demonstrators formed long lines to have their blood drawn by nurses, a day after their leaders vowed to collect 1 million cubic centimeters of blood - 264 gallons (1,000 liters) - to spill at Government House.

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Very impressive! That's what revolution is about! There's just always a problem with these color revolutions, as they are normally part of a larger agenda...

So what's the agenda in Thailand? I found the following information and would be glad if any of you could provide any further evidence of the Thai elite agenda - unless it gives you a headache even trying to figure out the situation there...

According to this blog:

The recent 'people power' protests by the 'reds' in Thailand may have been deliberately manipulated in such a way as to weaken the highly popular former Thai prime minister Thaksin.

Why?

Thaksin reportedly upset the US elite by:

1. withdrawing troops from Iraq

2. flirting with China

3. cracking down on drugs.

Also according to Asia One:

...we did not see Army chief General Anupong Paochinda or police boss Patcharawat Wongsuwan show up while the red shirts were ambushing the Asean Summit. The security forces were not doing their duty, standing by idly as the protesters wreaked havoc in Pattaya.

The following is a video on the 'blood' protest:




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According to Thaizer this is a brief description of the Yellow Shirts and Red Shirts:

THE YELLOW SHIRTS

made international headlines at the end of 2008 with the closure of Bangkok’s two airports. Th yellow colour was adopted by the protesters to show their allegiance to the king, with yellow being the king’s colour because of the date of his birth.

In the build up to the September 2006 military coup that saw prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra removed from office, there had been pressure put on Thaksin and his policies by a group called the People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD).

The PAD were not a political party, but were a political pressure group formed by individuals concerned by the power wielded by Thaksin and the direction he was taking Thailand.

PAD had some influential backers including those with links to the media, army and Royal Palace. As well as the corruption allegations launched against Thaksin, there were allegations from PAD that Thaksin had a republican agenda.

Whether this was true or not, it became a rallying call for the new movement and one of the main reasons PAD were able to bring so much pressure to bear on Thaksin and his government and helped to bring about the catalyst for the 2006 coup.

THE RED SHIRTS

are angry that the former government that they supported was forced to relinquish power as a result of a legal ruling by the Thai courts. The red shirts have called this a ‘judicial coup’ and a ’silent coup’ and they see the hand of Bangkok’s traditional and elite power base at work including important figures in the army.

Two dominant groups – UDD (United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship) and DAAD (Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship) are behind the red shirt movement. They have demanded that the new Democrat led parliament be dissolved because it hasn’t been democratically elected. They are also demanding legal action be taken against the leaders of the PAD movement.

Abhisit Vejjajiva

According to Wikipedia

[The current prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva] was born in Newcastle, England and educated at Eton. He then went on to gain a bachelor degree in politics, philosophy and economics (PPE), first class honor, and a master degree in economics, both from Oxford University.

Naturally he was to become the ultimate Prime Minister of Thailand after Thaksin was removed. However, he didn't achieve it as soon as intended:

In a parliamentary vote on 28 January 2008, Abhisit was defeated by Samak for the post of Prime Minister, receiving 163 votes against 310 votes for Samak...

Following the Constitutional Court of Thailand's removal of prime minister Samak Sundaravej in 2008 for vested interests by taking a salary from a cooking show while in the seat of PM, Abhisit lost the National Assembly vote for Prime Minister by 163 votes to 298 for Somchai Wongsawat, ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra's brother in law....

On 2 December 2008, the Constitutional Court banned the three government parties for election fraud, including the PPP, thus dissolved the governing coalition and paving the way for a Democrat-led government.

The Court also banned Somchai from politics for five years for his involvement in the scandal as one of PPP's executive board member and removed him from office; he was succeeded by a deputy...

The enlarged Democrat-led coalition was able to endorse Abhisit as Prime Minister. Abhisit became Prime Minister after winning a special vote in parliament on 15 December 2008.

So he finally became Prime Minister after winning a special vote in parliament...is that what we call democratic?




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This is exactly what we should be painting the white house with. Our blood. Or at least the borders around the white house.

I live in Thailand (UK expat).

Seems it is quietening down now in Bangkok. Red shirts are paid by Thaksin former PM (on the run wanted on fraud charges etc) to attend the rallies
Red Shirts being paid

Thailand is totally corrupt and I have lost count how many coups they have had here in recent years.

If you want the local gossip head over to the websites Thaivisa or Phuket forum.

Like muddyhoop I too currently reside in Thailand (and predicated all this would occur 13 mins before it did - shazam mo fo').

Thailand has had a record number of coups in it's democratic history and will no doubt continue to have them into its future. I think it's healthy as long as no-one is hurt (there are reports of 2 soliders injred after 4 and grenades wnt off near their barracks though).

The red shirts are predominantly presented as being from lower class backgrounds (such as the Isaan and Chiang Mai regions) and are deemed uneducated farm workers.

The yellow shirts are predominately presented as being from middle class educated backgrounds (central Thailand) and are seen as siding with the hegemonic elite (as happens everywhere in the world).

The balance looking to be struck by the red shirts is for better education, healthcare and opportunities for them through democratically elected government and the balance the yellow shirts have is the power base of money and control and not wanting to lose it.

Both sides are peaceful (and generally friendly too outside of tourist areas) and are only looking to get a reasonable return from their input into society.

Thaksin was seen as being great for the Northern regions and still has most of the support from those areas due to his regeneration efforts there. The current government have gained a decent economic structure by way of Thaksin's legacy and are trying their best to continue the regeneration programs already established.

It will play out and both sides will calm down for the moment - and no doubt re-erupt at the next opportunity.

I can understand both sides of the equation and think that this protest is a good idea (if slightly disruptive) since resolution can only come from (in this case peaceful) conflict.

The beautiful thing about Thai people is that they can have 'fai' (fire) within their own lives and debate about it but will stand by each other at the drop of a hat when someone from outside of Thailand tries to interfere. So take it as sibling rivalry but with serious issues at hand.

Oh, thought I'd mention Udon Thani is a major American military base on the border of Thailand and Laos and is very important in the US's presence for the entire Asian area - so I do think there may be something behind the curtains going on from them too (Especially after Obama's visit to the area in November 09).

Hope at least some of this info was educational!

-m0r

Whatever their motives, this was an interesting outcry.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re doing similar acts in the future. It gets harder for our voices to truly be heard in this country each day and the attention protesters do get is usually politicized or negatively portrayed in the media (or both).

Originally posted by QuantumDeath
This is exactly what we should be painting the white house with. Our blood. Or at least the borders around the white house.

That's what I was thinking! And why not every other presidential home in the world?

Originally posted by MightyAl
Very impressive! That's what revolution is about!

I don't know. It's a very post modern take on "The streets will run red with blood"

It just doesn't seem to have the heart of a proper revolution if they're extracting their own blood and pouring it on the streets. It should be their politicians and corporate executives blood instead.

It's an interesting gimmick though I'll give them that.

This is exactly what we should be painting the white house with. Our blood. Or at least the borders around the white house.

It's funny they can do it over there but I doubt it would fly in America or any other western country. It's disposing of hazard medical waste in a public area. You could get arrested and then charged for the cleanup and probably end up in jail.

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Originally posted by belial259
It's an interesting gimmick though I'll give them that.

It's also an ancient curse - very superstitious these Thai people.

Chok Dee and all that.

-m0r

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Thanks Muddyhoop for your input. I just wonder why - considering that every leader is labeled as corrupt or found to be corrupt - Thaksin is the only corrupt leader on the run. What about the present Prime Minister? Seems like they keep acquitting him. Do you think he's the presently most desired puppet leader?

I live in Taiwan where our President was also put there through media manipulation. The former President is in jail for embezzlement etc., so his party lost a lot of support, and as a result our present pro-China President who used to be loved by the blind people now has a approval rating of 27%.

The US doesn't seem to like his exaggerated pro-China stance, so let's wait and see how they get him ousted also.

The average might think it's too much to blame everything on the US (and EU also), but that's just the way it is. They are supposed to be the "superpolice" who always interfere in foreign affairs that can benefit them.

Taiwan is still influenced by the US, as our leaders are often US educated. Your Prime Minister is UK educated :-) That's already a sign that he's under their wing, and that the West wanted him there. Sounds like Thaksin was a very supportive leader who was too pro-people for the elite's liking. Am I wrong?

Originally posted by m0r1arty
It's also an ancient curse

O RLY?

Well you learn something new every day. That makes more sense. TY for that insight.

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Thanks m0r1arty for your educational post! It is nice to hear the story from your perspective, as I'm sure the Yellows and the Reds get along well and are just protesting for a similar outcome - democracy for the people!

The problem is that color revolutions are constantly being induced by the global elite. You have the 2004 Orange Revolution in Ukraine, the 2003 Roses Revolution in Georgia, the 2006 Cedars Revolution in Lebanon, etc.

The following is a quote that I typed down for you from Webster Tarpley's book Obama - The Postmodern Coup:

All of [the above] coups had several features in common. They were always built around a telegenic demagogue. They always features fake public opinion polling, often combined with outright vote fraud.

They required huge sums of money and abundant supplies of narcotics to fuel them.

They feature large mobs, composed especially of politically naive and suggestible young people, who would demonstrate and camp out in public squares to support the demands of the coup.

They presupposed a significant control over television, radio, key Internet sites, and other media, which were used to project and portray a youthful mob of swarming adolescents as the authentic expression of the will of the whole people.

They all arrived after a period of suffocating repression, which they opportunistically exploited to introduce a new order which was not much better, and which generally became radically worse, then the pre-coup status quo.

One was called Resistance. One was Orange. One was red, red rose. Another had the green of the cedar tree. All of them somehow ended up by installing into power NATO agents and greedy kleptocrats in the service of banks located in Wall Street and the City of London.

So I'm afraid that the Red Shirts and the Yellow Shirts - while standing up for their rights - are also being used in a similar manner. As you mentioned the US is right there on the border with Laos...

Originally posted by MightyAl
Very impressive! That's what revolution is about!

Originally posted by belial259
It should be their politicians and corporate executives blood instead.

Well as long as they can't break into the politicians' and corporate executives' homes like vampires, then they can only resort to using their own bloody to make a point!

This is exactly what we should be painting the white house with. Our blood. Or at least the borders around the white house.

Originally posted by belial259
It's funny they can do it over there but I doubt it would fly in America or any other western country.

I think that if the US government wanted people to paint the White House in red, then they'd give the people permission. The riot police in Thailand moved aside for the people to pour the vats of bloody under the gate. This is another sign that the Red Shirts are being encouraged to give Thaksin a poorer and poorer image. It keeps coming back to the agenda that we are trying to figure out here...


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Every nation on this planet practices corruption. Thailand is no different. Money rules, despite their public display of affection for their King.

The nobles and the gentry in that country simply used modern terms upon themselves to display democratic principles, such as public servants, CEOs, managers, etc.

In reality they ‘leaders’ are exactly what they had been doing for centuries – enslaving the common masses. There is no ‘middle class’ as what westerners would presume.

The middle classes are the sons of the nobles and gentry, for they were the only ones who were given opportunities in life, and not the common masses. Even the military are made up of their own social class, and are equally corrupt; if not much more worse with the power they hold.

Only a bare few of the common folk managed to break through the social ladder, by licking the boots of the elites.

Thailand is largely an agrarian society, and rice is their vital resource export. Many of the common masses were farmers, and had to be farmers for survival. Cities are largely inhabitated by the middle classes, and as shown, the middle classes were members of the elites.

Thus, they will do anything to hold on to their power and privileges and NEVER to share their wealth through social programs to benefit the masses. The masses were to be kept stupid, earn their miserable slave wages and to always obey the commands of their betters.

It is no wonder that in this modern century, issues came to a boil. The common masses had enough. But the subjugated Thai people are a peaceful race.

They learn Buddhism at young and have a mandatory conscription option to either serve as the yellow robes or in the military. They are not prone to violence nor seek it under any circumstances as a collective unit.

But unfortunately, these poor and pacified people have no idea of how a peaceful protest should be conducted. Standing for days on end outside Parliament house or the PM’s residence is not going to get them anywhere.

The PM and the elites would just sit it out, and enjoy the holidays, waiting for the dispersal of the masses as it surely would once they tired out. The ‘peaceful’ protest fizzles out, and everything is back to square one, nothing gained.

A true peaceful national protest must be able to hit it where it hurts the most – the pockets. The PM will only smile at chants or even poured blood, but if the economy is crippled – airports shut down, ports closed, power grids turned off, etc, he and his elites will be brought down to their knees and act swiftly, either to accede/compromise to the demands of the masses or unleash the army upon them and bring blood to his hands tarnishing himself and those he represents.

While the economy will lose billions, it is only money. And money can always be earned back. To the middle classes and the rich, they will howl if they lost even a dollar on one day.

But for the masses, what is dollar lost today compared to freedom, true democracy and equal share of prosperity for themselves and their next generations?

It is sad to see these poor common people walked home, literally for many cannot even afford bus-rides, empty handed and future denied yet again….

Originally posted by QuantumDeath
This is exactly what we should be painting the white house with. Our blood. Or at least the borders around the white house.

I would rather paint it with THEIR blood.