The false flag black op that was perpetrated that day needed a devastating outcome. All 3 towers had to fall for the awe factor. They would not,
could not leave anything to chance. No sense at all rigging 1 or 2 buildings to blow and leaving the other, that would just be poor planning and most
importantly inefficient.
This was to be a seminal event in history it had to be dynamic it had to be catastrophic it had to be traumatizing. They had to ensure that all 3
buildings came down and that the destruction be magnificent. Controlled demolitions were the only options.
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Topic started on 17-3-2010 @ 11:04 PM by esdad71
It is often stated that there were 'loud explosions' and 'sounds comparable to a demo' but in the following 3 videos I will show that there were
none and if there were they would have been caught on any of the following 3 videos.
1. There were no loud explosions during the collapse. This video is from inside the North Tower as the South tower collapses. If there were squibs/charges they are NOT heard on this tape.
www.metacafe.com...
2. The building buckled and collapsed as described in the FINAL NIST report. This video shows it very cleary. There are also no 'explosions' from the lower floors as would be present in a demolition. The classic pop pop pop of the lower windows is not there.
www.youtube.com...
3. This video shows another angle of the collapse. It cleary shows when the buckling occurs. It also has NO explosion sounds.
www.metacafe.com...
With these 3 videos, how can we not see that it was catastrophic failure of the buildings after they were struck by planes? This cleary shows that there were NO demolitions that were used in the South Tower collapse. NO video proof. NO audio proof and sounds to me like some eyewitness accounts if you turn up the sound that there are no explosions just a falling building.
Time and time again it is stated that there is no proof or truth and it seems that it has been here all along. Why is this information being 'suppressed' and not reported?
1. There were no loud explosions during the collapse. This video is from inside the North Tower as the South tower collapses. If there were squibs/charges they are NOT heard on this tape.
www.metacafe.com...
2. The building buckled and collapsed as described in the FINAL NIST report. This video shows it very cleary. There are also no 'explosions' from the lower floors as would be present in a demolition. The classic pop pop pop of the lower windows is not there.
www.youtube.com...
3. This video shows another angle of the collapse. It cleary shows when the buckling occurs. It also has NO explosion sounds.
www.metacafe.com...
With these 3 videos, how can we not see that it was catastrophic failure of the buildings after they were struck by planes? This cleary shows that there were NO demolitions that were used in the South Tower collapse. NO video proof. NO audio proof and sounds to me like some eyewitness accounts if you turn up the sound that there are no explosions just a falling building.
Time and time again it is stated that there is no proof or truth and it seems that it has been here all along. Why is this information being 'suppressed' and not reported?
reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 11:42 PM by ExPostFacto
Originally posted by esdad71
1. There were no loud explosions during the collapse. This video is from inside the North Tower as the South tower collapses. If there were squibs/charges they are NOT heard on this tape.
www.metacafe.com...
Does thermite explode?
2. The building buckled and collapsed as described in the FINAL NIST report. This video shows it very cleary. There are also no 'explosions' from the lower floors as would be present in a demolition. The classic pop pop pop of the lower windows is not there.
www.youtube.com...
Yep just a low rumble and screams from a mile away. I guess it's case closed. We can all believe the OS now.
3. This video shows another angle of the collapse. It cleary shows when the buckling occurs. It also has NO explosion sounds.
www.metacafe.com...
I will admit with this one video there is structural failure on the corner beam. I noticed it appears a portion of that beam is missing. There is also fire around that beam on the ceiling of one floor and the floor of another. However, I see no evidence of pancaking.
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You show maybe 2 minutes worth of video. I give you credit for your presentation, but I find it lacking more reasoned discussion. What I think you proved was that the corner of the structures steal melted. I see that through your presentation of these videos; however that does not rule out thermite.
reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 12:03 AM by K J Gunderson
Originally posted by esdad71
It is often stated that there were 'loud explosions' and 'sounds comparable to a demo' but in the following 3 videos I will show that there were none and if there were they would have been caught on any of the following 3 videos.
1. There were no loud explosions during the collapse. This video is from inside the North Tower as the South tower collapses. If there were squibs/charges they are NOT heard on this tape.
www.metacafe.com...
2. The building buckled and collapsed as described in the FINAL NIST report. This video shows it very cleary. There are also no 'explosions' from the lower floors as would be present in a demolition. The classic pop pop pop of the lower windows is not there.
www.youtube.com...
3. This video shows another angle of the collapse. It cleary shows when the buckling occurs. It also has NO explosion sounds.
www.metacafe.com...
With these 3 videos, how can we not see that it was catastrophic failure of the buildings after they were struck by planes? This cleary shows that there were NO demolitions that were used in the South Tower collapse. NO video proof. NO audio proof and sounds to me like some eyewitness accounts if you turn up the sound that there are no explosions just a falling building.
Time and time again it is stated that there is no proof or truth and it seems that it has been here all along. Why is this information being 'suppressed' and not reported?
Video is for recording images, not sounds. Why are you expecting proof of the sounds of explosions in any of this footage? This seems to be a very foreign concept to many on this board but video is lots of pictures, not sounds. The sounds you get along with them are audio recordings done with equipment not set up to capture distinct explosions. Do you have any idea, as the OP of this thread, what recording equipment was used to capture the audio that accompanies these videos?
This would seem like an important detail in this threads entire point.
reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 12:58 AM by impressme
reply to post by esdad71
Why do you think everyone is running in the video? It is not because the WTC fell silently. It’s because they hear the explosions, as the WTC was coming down, Heck, I can here them as the building is being blown to pieces, come –on. Not only do all the videos have the sounds of explosions going off spontaneously, but also you have the sound of rumbling with in the explosions.
Of course, you are going to have explosions, I am sure there were gas lines in the WTC blowing up as well.
Time and time again it is stated that there is no proof or truth and it seems that it has been here all along. Why is this information being 'suppressed' and not reported?
Why do you think everyone is running in the video? It is not because the WTC fell silently. It’s because they hear the explosions, as the WTC was coming down, Heck, I can here them as the building is being blown to pieces, come –on. Not only do all the videos have the sounds of explosions going off spontaneously, but also you have the sound of rumbling with in the explosions.
Of course, you are going to have explosions, I am sure there were gas lines in the WTC blowing up as well.
reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 02:26 AM by Point of No Return
reply to post by esdad71
I think I'll believe these guys (FDNY):
www.youtube.com...
[edit on 18-3-2010 by Point of No Return]
I think I'll believe these guys (FDNY):
"It's like they had detonators up there, like they were planning to take down the building, boom, boom, boom....,"
www.youtube.com...
[edit on 18-3-2010 by Point of No Return]
reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 02:37 AM by Point of No Return
reply to post by esdad71
Frankly, your whole OP shows you are grasping at straws.
In the first two videos there's so much noise and rumbling that any explosions are drowned out in the total noise.
In the last video you can't even hear the collapse, so you're not going to hear any explosions either.
The only thing this thread proves is the desperation of OS believers.
Frankly, your whole OP shows you are grasping at straws.
In the first two videos there's so much noise and rumbling that any explosions are drowned out in the total noise.
In the last video you can't even hear the collapse, so you're not going to hear any explosions either.
The only thing this thread proves is the desperation of OS believers.
reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 07:06 AM by SPreston
Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
"Do you have any idea, as the OP of this thread, what recording equipment was used to capture the audio that accompanies these videos?"
On top of that, how are we supposed to know whether or not the audio has been tampered with post-production? Not a very difficult thing to do. Most of the other evidence was either discarded or screwed around with, so why should this be any different?
If everything was on the up and up, a proper and timely investigation would have been undertaken. Instead, they throw us a 9/11 Commission Report which reads like a soap opera script. A report which does nothing to investigate the events of that day, basing its incredulous assumptions on media hearsay and ZERO investigative material.
Don't forget that the FBI confiscated videos, video recorders, and cameras at the WTC also, and reportedly returned them later. Maybe some were not returned and some were edited and certain levels of sound removed in the FBI LAB which so many FBI whistleblowers have outed. And the FBI was arresting journalists who were taking photos and videos in certain areas of the WTC in the days following 9-11. And the FBI wouldn't let the people hired as professional investigators enter certain areas either.
The people who got their property back were told not to talk about the FBI confiscations. Bob and Bri had their video confiscated for a while, and there seem to be portions missing.
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reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 08:04 AM by Alfie1
reply to post by esdad71
Interesting videos, especially the first terrifying one taken in the North Tower as the South Tower collapsed.
It is obvious there was just an ominous rumble , fairly quiet at first, and it is this that grabs the firefighters attention.
Interesting videos, especially the first terrifying one taken in the North Tower as the South Tower collapsed.
It is obvious there was just an ominous rumble , fairly quiet at first, and it is this that grabs the firefighters attention.
reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 01:28 PM by esdad71
reply to post by impressme
Please explain to me at what specific points in the video you hear explosions that sound like a CD. First, you would have heard those 'explosions' before you heard the collapse. Then once those fired, you would then had the initiating sequence and it would have fallen. I do video/audio engineering for entertainment(bands..my own and many others) and I am well aware of what you can do with audio and video. I have been a user Vegas/Cakewalk/Audition for more than 10 years. If there was an explosion at any time, just like when you have a loud band or ANY loud solid punchy noise, you would have had bleeding into the audio. It was not there. You do hear however the collective noise rise as the tower falls.
This is what it would have sounded like but louder since they were in the lobby. I count no less than 17 explosions BEFORE the final charges. It was
only 30 stories.
www.youtube.com...
There also has been no proven weapons grade materials found at the WTC site. The thermite as explained would have needed a catalyst to ignite the reaction and there is no evidence of that as seen in the videos. The FBI was onsite looking for this in the hours after the collapse. More than 7000 agents were dedicated to investigate 9/11 alone. If they confiscated anything during that time it would be for evidence not to cover up as expressed when this was released after the trials of suspected terrorists tried after 9/11.
They do however show the failure of the outer columns. They do show the progressive collapse AFTER that failure. They do NOT provide audio of ANY explosions comparable to a CD. There is NO physical evidence of any kind. I am trying to show that there were NO explosives used.
Thank you to those who provided some constructive banter and glad that the videos helped.
Please explain to me at what specific points in the video you hear explosions that sound like a CD. First, you would have heard those 'explosions' before you heard the collapse. Then once those fired, you would then had the initiating sequence and it would have fallen. I do video/audio engineering for entertainment(bands..my own and many others) and I am well aware of what you can do with audio and video. I have been a user Vegas/Cakewalk/Audition for more than 10 years. If there was an explosion at any time, just like when you have a loud band or ANY loud solid punchy noise, you would have had bleeding into the audio. It was not there. You do hear however the collective noise rise as the tower falls.
This is what it would have sounded like but louder since they were in the lobby. I count no less than 17 explosions BEFORE the final charges. It was
only 30 stories.
www.youtube.com...
There also has been no proven weapons grade materials found at the WTC site. The thermite as explained would have needed a catalyst to ignite the reaction and there is no evidence of that as seen in the videos. The FBI was onsite looking for this in the hours after the collapse. More than 7000 agents were dedicated to investigate 9/11 alone. If they confiscated anything during that time it would be for evidence not to cover up as expressed when this was released after the trials of suspected terrorists tried after 9/11.
They do however show the failure of the outer columns. They do show the progressive collapse AFTER that failure. They do NOT provide audio of ANY explosions comparable to a CD. There is NO physical evidence of any kind. I am trying to show that there were NO explosives used.
Thank you to those who provided some constructive banter and glad that the videos helped.
reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 01:43 PM by esdad71
reply to post by SPreston
I am not sure who you believe that NIST is. I have posted in threads that I know you have read the amount of talent and knowledge that is working and providing assistance to NIST investigations. This is not a thread about their validity but since I quoted them and you take issue with that I will provide the information to show that they are not in a basement with paint chips and a bunsen burner, creating documents that no one will publish so they pay to put them online and do not answer inquires to their testing.
NIST is not a program that only investigates building collapse. That is only a small fraction of what they do. Here is a link to something else they have chartered and has been in place for the last 20 years. It is known as ATP. It is used for industry and technology to come together and make sure what is produced is beneficial through their own R&D, QA and Engineering teams.
www.atp.nist.gov...
Again, on the WTC panel there were 3 Nobel winners and within the organization there are many more. go take a look.
Click here
To waive these people off pseudo-science is extremely ignorant especially when presented the facts of the organization now and in other threads.
As far as John Gross, the investigation was not complete. As far as the molten steel, it is well known that there were pools of molten metal because the fires burned for months. It was smoldering so the closer you get you are finding temperatures that are 1000 degrees on the ground(in your video) so it would be alot greater 100 feet underground covered up by two 100 story buildings.
NIST? Oh you mean The National Institute of Standards and Technology.
You mean those guys who got caught lying to the American people again and again?
The NIST pseudo-scientists are a joke. A high school physics teachers corrects their incompetency, and all they can do is sulk and keep their lips tight shut. John Gross stands there and baldface lies about firefighter testimony of witnessing molten steel flowing like lava.
I am not sure who you believe that NIST is. I have posted in threads that I know you have read the amount of talent and knowledge that is working and providing assistance to NIST investigations. This is not a thread about their validity but since I quoted them and you take issue with that I will provide the information to show that they are not in a basement with paint chips and a bunsen burner, creating documents that no one will publish so they pay to put them online and do not answer inquires to their testing.
NIST is not a program that only investigates building collapse. That is only a small fraction of what they do. Here is a link to something else they have chartered and has been in place for the last 20 years. It is known as ATP. It is used for industry and technology to come together and make sure what is produced is beneficial through their own R&D, QA and Engineering teams.
www.atp.nist.gov...
Again, on the WTC panel there were 3 Nobel winners and within the organization there are many more. go take a look.
Click here
To waive these people off pseudo-science is extremely ignorant especially when presented the facts of the organization now and in other threads.
As far as John Gross, the investigation was not complete. As far as the molten steel, it is well known that there were pools of molten metal because the fires burned for months. It was smoldering so the closer you get you are finding temperatures that are 1000 degrees on the ground(in your video) so it would be alot greater 100 feet underground covered up by two 100 story buildings.
reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 04:50 PM by samhouston1886
reply to post by ExPostFacto
Have you ever argued with a brick wall?
How about someone with a mental disorder?
I appreciate the work of Truthers, 9/11 is the greatest lie of our time and it represents a crossroads for us a species.
We can believe the lies and become complete slaves to the modern day magicians that rule us or we can awake and ensure freedom for the species.
Its not something that is even a little bit constructive and I find it hard to believe that the OP is doing anything other than wasting peoples time making ridiculous arguments and statements.
Anyone with half a brain would know that there are 500+ oral histories and many videos of explosions, dozens upon dozens of news reports that plainly state explosions were happening and the consensus on the ground that day was that there were explosive devices present.
New York Times Oral Histories 9/11
Is it that the OP is that bad a investigator or researcher that he did not find this widely known information?
When you look at the scene its utter nonsense to say it was jet fuel only and we are at the point were the people from FEMA who took video of the scene are PUBLICLY running for their lives.
More than likely the OP is compiling a database of names which means nothing to me since I am already on it for joining NYCCAN.
Just Google NYCCAN and you will see how many 9/11 Families and First Responders support a new investigation.
Have you ever argued with a brick wall?
How about someone with a mental disorder?
I appreciate the work of Truthers, 9/11 is the greatest lie of our time and it represents a crossroads for us a species.
We can believe the lies and become complete slaves to the modern day magicians that rule us or we can awake and ensure freedom for the species.
Its not something that is even a little bit constructive and I find it hard to believe that the OP is doing anything other than wasting peoples time making ridiculous arguments and statements.
Anyone with half a brain would know that there are 500+ oral histories and many videos of explosions, dozens upon dozens of news reports that plainly state explosions were happening and the consensus on the ground that day was that there were explosive devices present.
New York Times Oral Histories 9/11
Is it that the OP is that bad a investigator or researcher that he did not find this widely known information?
When you look at the scene its utter nonsense to say it was jet fuel only and we are at the point were the people from FEMA who took video of the scene are PUBLICLY running for their lives.
More than likely the OP is compiling a database of names which means nothing to me since I am already on it for joining NYCCAN.
Just Google NYCCAN and you will see how many 9/11 Families and First Responders support a new investigation.
reply posted on 18-3-2010 @ 05:00 PM by Point of No Return
reply to post by samhouston1886
It's just pathetic to see the squirming.
Just give up already!
ATS 911 poll:
Esdad, you get an A for effort, but you're not fooling at least 95% of us.
All I can say is, hahaa.
It's just pathetic to see the squirming.
Just give up already!
ATS 911 poll:
That's 0.953596 or ~ 95.36% don't believe the OG/MCT and ~4.64% are True Believer official government/media conspiracy theorists (19 Arabs with boxcutters). Some irony there IMHO.
Esdad, you get an A for effort, but you're not fooling at least 95% of us.
All I can say is, hahaa.
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