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Topic started on 17-3-2010 @ 07:57 PM by TrueAmerican

Census threat: $5,000 fines


www.wnd.com
Refusing to answer the questions or answering them incorrectly will subject citizens to hefty fines.

The U.S. Census website for the American Community Survey warns that under Title 13 of the U.S. Code, Section 221, anyone who refuses to answer the 11-page 48-question survey, or who answers the questions with false information, will be subject to a possible $5,000 fine.
(visit the link for the full news article)


reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 07:57 PM by TrueAmerican
From their link:

The American Community Survey is conducted under the authority of Title 13, United States Code, Sections 141 and 193, and response is mandatory. According to Section 221, persons who do not respond shall be fined not more than $100. Title 18 U.S.C. Section 3571 and Section 3559, in effect amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221 by changing the fine for anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers from a fine of not more than $100 to not more than $5,000. The U.S. Census Bureau may use this information only for statistical purposes. We can assure you that your confidentiality is protected. Title 13 requires the Census Bureau to keep all information about you and all other respondents strictly confidential. Any Census Bureau employee who violates these provisions is subject to a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison sentence of up to five years, or both.


Yeah, great. Strictly confidential to who? One more place my information can end up only to be stolen by hackers breaching crappy security! And one more way for Big Brother to watch you, tax you, and predefine you any way they want.

This sucks.

Yeah, I've heard the arguments. Hell, I hear the ads on radio all the time touting the great benefits to the community. Glenn Beck got on the phone the other day with his wife and asked her what she would answer to each question on the main census, and when it was all said and done, they decided that only the very first question applied, and everything else was none of the government's business.

That's one case I can say I agree with Bubba and family.

But that was just the main census. The 5,000 fine is relative to this ACS, and goes way beyond that. In fact, I really have to question they need this when all they have to do is contact any number of agencies that already have this information on all the American people, and is available commercially.

And that begs the question why they don't just force this on those companies to deliver it, instead of threatening the American people subject to this ACS with hefty fines or even jail for not wanting to compromise their privacy more than it already is.

No thanks, Big Brother.





www.wnd.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on Wed Mar 17th 2010 by TrueAmerican]


reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 08:29 PM by Maxmars
reply to post by dampnickers



To answer you rhetorical (I guess) question is simple, but you might not accept it either - which isn't to say you're position isn't valid... it is...

the reason, the 'difference,' is a notion called a social contract.

[edit on 17-3-2010 by Maxmars]


reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 09:00 PM by ohioriver
Does anyone know what JIC1 JIC2 mean on the census form? It is located on last page very bottom right.

Also, I just surfed and found this about the temporary census offices setup across the US...:

gcn.com...

Harris and Unisys’ Federal Division supplied the IT infrastructure, support services, hardware and software to support the networks for the local Census offices. In addition, Harris hired subcontractor ASD to install network cabling at all the sites, according to ASD.
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www.defenseprocurementnews.com...

Unisys Awarded an Estimated $187 Million Contract to Manage and Upgrade ClearPath Mainframe Environment for U.S. Department of Defense

Unisys will also upgrade DISA’s mainframe and storage environment, including installation of a virtual tape library storage solution.

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epic.org...

Public use datasets contain 'anonymous' microdata, information on individual people and organizations where the explicit identifiers have been stripped away. Microdata can then be transferred even in blocks of just a few individuals. Under 13 USC § 9, the Census Bureau is required to make sure that the identities cannot be "reasonably deduced." Concepts of "reasonable deduction," however, are changing quickly.

Re-identification is the process of linking anonymous data to the actual identity of an individual. Carnegie Mellon Professor Latanya Sweeney has demonstrated that anonymous data sets can often be readily re-identified. In one experiment, Sweeney, using 1990 Census data, demonstrated that individuals often have demographic values that occur infrequently. Since these values occur infrequently, they allow the re-identification of individuals in putatively anonymous datasets. Sweeney found in her report Uniqueness of Simple Demographics in the U.S. Population:

...87% (216 million of 248 million) of the population in the United States had reported characteristics that likely made them unique based only on {5-digit ZIP, gender, date of birth}. About half of the U.S. population (132 million of 248 million or 53%) are likely to be uniquely identified by only {place, gender, date of birth}, where place is basically the city, town, or municipality in which the person resides. And even at the county level, {county, gender, date of birth} are likely to uniquely identify 18% of the U.S. population. In general, few characteristics are needed to uniquely identify a person.

Re-identification can also be enhanced through the use of commercially available or public records databases. Census data can be combined with other datasets in order to identify individuals. Some re-identification software is available commercially.

Re-identification is legal in the United States.



The influence of marketing associations on the development of the census cannot be ignored. In the face of growing privacy violations, lawmakers are consistently choosing to expand the level of information available from the Census Bureau. Between one or more databases, individual identity can be reconstructed within the same street block. In a group of 15 individuals, it is not difficult for a marketer to identify the one person of the characteristics listed in census information. With various computer programs that synthesize such information, an individual can re-identify any small group of people from the information provided to marketers.

* Kysar, Douglas A., Kids & Cul-De-Sacs: Census 2000 and the Reproduction of Consumer Culture, 87 Cornell L. Rev. 853 (2001).
* U.S. Census Bureau, U.S. Dep't of Commerce, Charter of the Census Advisory Committee of Professional Associations (Mar. 27, 2000).
* Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census, Federal Register Vol. 68, No. 54, March 20, 2003.



After seeing all this info I feel confident in just paying the $100 fine.


reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 09:08 PM by iamcamouflage
reply to post by TrueAmerican



So just dont fill it out at all. Dont even mail it back. There is no consequence for that. The govt cannot prove that you received your form.

Census forms come as regular mail. Not certified letters. Without it being a certified letter, there is no proof that you even received it.


reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 09:39 PM by Dank513
reply to post by iamcamouflage



I am definitely going to look into that.. although I just interviewed for a job as a temporary Census worker. Hell, it pays 16 bucks an hour where I live. Good money for doing nothin', lol.


reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 10:06 PM by Ionized
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



I also thought it was interesting it said 'not for private use', meaning maybe secured party creditors are most definitely not to fill it out? I also liked the wording on the back hinting, ever so slightly, that one might be able to get reimbursed for the time it took to fill it out, if one only knows how to charge them for such things.


reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 10:07 PM by FewWorldOrder
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
The American Community Survey is conducted under the authority of Title 13, United States Code, Sections 141 and 193, and response is mandatory. According to Section 221, persons who do not respond shall be fined not more than $100. Title 18 U.S.C. Section 3571 and Section 3559, in effect amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221 by changing the fine for anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers from a fine of not more than $100 to not more than $5,000.


Blah, blah, blah...

Yeah, forget where I saw it but, 'why is it called "Code", unless it is used to hide something?'.

Now this, I think, is quite clear. No de-coding required:

In Article 1, Section 2, the Constitution includes the phrase:

[An] Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
(emphasis mine)
www.usconstitution.net...

That's it friends, "Enumeration".

A head-count.

All Census forms should properly read,

"How many people reside primarily in your home?"

"Thank you for your assistance, and have a great day."

...and nothing else.

So what?..., they're going to arrest, prosecute, and imprison me for not having the five-large extortion payment?

This news calls for the first (and last) time, I will post a... meh.

jmho.

[edit on 17-3-2010 by FewWorldOrder]

[edit on 17-3-2010 by FewWorldOrder]
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