One Week Away from Major Terrorist Event, page 3

this should help
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by ashley
You know, I really dont know. What i do know though is that after a terorist attack on the previous administrations watch they built a country (this one) as a response.

After a terrorist attack on this administrations watch they ruined a few. Including this one.

Do you think the 100 and something billion dollars spent so far with no end in sight is worth the 2000 terrorists killed when there has been no real proof that these guys were even involved.
I mean why not invade Mexico, I heard there were al Queda there. Its closer.

Al queda are in over 80 countries around the world. At 100 and ? billion per 2000 I think the last administration handled things better.

Oh, so you prefered that Clinton lied that there was a third terrorist in OKC bombing with Al Qaeda connections......

And Clinton did not build the country, he left it exposed to the communists as he sold our secrets while they kept building their military. Clinton cut the military budget and left us weaker. I remember what it was like in the military when he was president.... We had ships undermanned and in response he decided to decommission 5 ships and 85 aircraft in 2000, and left the armed forces in bad shape for years to come. it takes years to reconstruct what Clinton did.

www.navyleague.org...

Al Qaeda being sponsored by Mexico....now that's funny, it must be something Kerry told you...

There are about 18,000 more Al Qaeda or so and sleeper cells which we do not know much about, but no billions like you say.

Oh yeah, actually Monica handled it for him. He didn't handle squat, and the economy started in a downward spiral thanks to him.

The Clinton you seem to love so much mentioned the constitution as radical, and that we have a radical Bill of Rights. He also mentioned that he wanted to ban all guns, and that only police, military, and other government officials should have them... That's what neo-commies, I mean democrats want.

BTW, Al Qaeda have claimed for 9/11 and other terrorist acts including the 3/11 Madrid bombings. Its funny also that neo-commies like you forget that in Spain, after it changed its political party, they surrounded Arab terrorist who when they saw they were going to be captured chanted in arabic and blew themselves up...

I guess you don't want to believe Al Qaeda's claim that they commit those attacks....


[Edited on 3-6-2004 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by RockerDom

I never claimed Clinton was a friend. I agree, 2,00 Al Queda dying is a very good thing. And it's worth the 20,000 or so Iraqi and Afghanistan civilians that accidently died, not to mention the nearly 1000 U.S. servicemen who have died.

It worked great for the Nazis, why can't we do it too? I mean, hell, when the first pictures came out of Aushwicz in '39, Hitler and Himmler vehemently denied the pictures were real. And even when they did admit to some of them being accurate, it was explained: you see, these people being gassed and baked were Jewish Nationalists. They had it in for the State.

It was those prisoner's fault, anyways. They were born in Iraq. That means they are terroists, you know. The whole damn country. Worshipping some Alan guy, or something. What a bunch of idiots.

And don't get me started on France and Germany. They're just pissed cause the oil contracts they had with Iraq are gone now, and Halliburton refused to renew them. They're already paying over 5 bucks a gallon for gas, they can pay a few bucks more.

God Bless America.

There are around 10,000 Iraqis dead, not 20,000. And with Clinton, who put sanctions in Iraq "500,000 children" under the age of 5 died. Thats Clinton's and the UN response to terrorism. Of course neo-commies have not heard about the attrocities their beloved president committed....or they find it simpler to just ignore it.

www.oneworld.org...

"The figures were off a bit in 1996. It was not until 1999 that the United Nations, in a detailed report, estimated that 500,000 Iraqi children under the age of 5 had died as a result of the U.S./U.N. sanctions. And they continue dying -- reportedly as many as 4,000 per month."

Excerpted from.
articles.findarticles.com...

And you are talking about Nazis?......you want to know what facism and being a Nazi is?



" "When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities."

-President Bill Clinton, MTV's "Enough is Enough," April 19, 1994


"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans."

-President Bill Clinton, March 1, 1993, during a press conference in Piscataway , NJ. USA TODAY, March 11, 1993


"The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people"

-President Bill Clinton, MTV interview, 1993


"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."

-President Bill Clinton, May 28, 1993 speech in the city hall courtyard, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania "

Excerpted from.
www.hkweaponsystems.com...

About France and Germany...do a search on google about "France and Germany abet genocide, or France and the Rwanda genocide...."

I have posted links about this before.

About the prisoners, what those soldiers did was wrong, but I have posted
the reaction of an Iraqi who said those supposed photos of naked prisoners are nothing in comparison to what the Baathist party and Saddam, and his loyalists did.

Raping a pregnant woman over an over to get her husband to give information when there was none to give, then ripping open the belly of the woman killing both the baby and the woman then slitting the throat of the husband, then going to the next prisoner and star over....

It is a shame of a fact that attrocities happen in war. But there have been a connection between Al Qaeda, and Saddam's Iraq. Search the forums and you will find them...



[Edited on 2-6-2004 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
There are around 10,000 Iraqis dead, not 20,000.

I said both IRaq and Afghanistan, not just, Iraq.

And with Clinton, who put sanctions in Iraq "500,000 children" under the age of 5 died. Thats Clinton's and the UN response to terrorism. Of course neo-commies have not heard about the attrocities their beloved president committed....or they find it simpler to just ignore it.

Once again, who said I like Clinton? He is far from my "beloved President", I assure you.

And you are talking about Nazis?......you want to know what facism and being a Nazi is?



" "When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities."

-President Bill Clinton, MTV's "Enough is Enough," April 19, 1994


"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans."

-President Bill Clinton, March 1, 1993, during a press conference in Piscataway , NJ. USA TODAY, March 11, 1993


"The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people"

-President Bill Clinton, MTV interview, 1993


"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."

-President Bill Clinton, May 28, 1993 speech in the city hall courtyard, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania "

Excerpted from.
www.hkweaponsystems.com...

Once again, I never said I liked Clinton. Thank you for pointing out the reasons why I don't, saved me from doing a lot of work

About France and Germany...do a search on google about "France and Germany abet genocide, or France and the Rwanda genocide...."

I have posted links about this before.

About the prisoners, what those soldiers did was wrong, but I have posted
the reaction of an Iraqi who said those supposed photos of naked prisoners are nothing in comparison to what the Baathist party and Saddam, and his loyalists did.

Raping a pregnant woman over an over to get her husband to give information when there was none to give, then ripping open the belly of the woman killing both the baby and the woman then slitting the throat of the husband, then going to the next prisoner and star over....

Oh thank God! I was so worried that our prisoners had done something wrong, but since it wasn't as bad as Saddam, then it's ok. Whew, had me worried.

It is a shame of a fact that attrocities happen in war. But there have been a connection between Al Qaeda, and Saddam's Iraq. Search the forums and you will find them...

I am not a neo-commie. I am not a Liberal. I am an anarchist. All of you close-minded people have created for us a world of double-standards where Justice is gone, unless it is Our Justice against the Bad Guys!

“Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.” -Hermann Goring, Commander of the Nazi Germany Air Force, or Luftwaffe. April 18, 1946. Nuremburg Diary by Gustave Gilbert

We messed up. We forgot the lessons of history, and we are doomed to repeat it, in fact, are repeating it. We includes you and me. Every drop of blood spilled, whther it is a guilty man, or an innocent child is on our hands. I supported the cause for this war, to take Weapons of Mass Destruction from a madman. Instead, we found he was a man who was billions of dollars in debt. We found a man whose own party members hated him, and blamed him for the sanctions that Clinton put on them. We went looking for an evil tyrranical dictator that used United States Brand chemical weapons on his own people, and only found an old man hiding in a hole.

Don't be blind to facts because they don't support your reasons, and don't put labels on my forehead. I'd try to duck out of the way, and it would go on all crooked.

There are Al Qaeda cells all over the world, it doesn't mean each of those countries is a terrorist sponsor. Al Qaeda has training camps in Iraq and you are forgetting that every able bodied terrorist that can is supposed to go to Iraq and fight against the coalition and the US.

About the "quotes of Clinton" that's what I posted, "quotes of Clinton wanting to ban guns and take more rights from Americans"

About the third suspect in OKC bombing...

"U.S. authorities in Iraq say they have new evidence that Saddam Hussein's regime gave money and housing to Abdul Rahman Yasin, a suspect in the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, according to U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials."

Excerpted from.
www.usatoday.com...

" Fact #1: "Ramzi Yousef" entered the U.S. in September 1992 on an Iraqi passport, with stamps showing a journey beginning in Baghdad. This fact is attested by the inspector who admitted Yousef into the U.S. Yet Mr. Clarke contends that Yousef entered the U.S. without a passport.

• Fact #2: The sole remaining fugitive from the 1993 bombing, Abdul Rahman Yasin, is an Iraqi. After the attack, Yasin fled to Iraq. The Iraqi regime rewarded Yasin with a house and monthly stipend. Yet Mr. Clarke claims, incredibly, that the Iraqis jailed Yasin.

• Fact #3: Seven men were indicted in the 1993 attack. Two of the seven, Yousef and Yasin, have Iraqi connections. Yet Mr. Clarke inflates the number of participants to 12, so as to create the impression that the presence of one or two men with Iraqi connections was no big deal. "

Excerpted from.
www.freerepublic.com...

The government in Spain knows it was Al Qaeda...didn't you read what I said about the Arab terrorists who blew themselves up?


"MADRID, Spain - An Islamic group that claims responsibility for the Madrid bombings says it will turn Spain “into an inferno” unless the country halts its support for the United States and withdraws its troops from Iraq and Afghanistan."
Excerpted from.
www.spinkiller.com...


"This weekend Spain learned what truckling to terrorists will get you: a big bomb on a busy rail line. That's precisely what a Spanish railway worker discovered in a bag under the track at Mocejon, a station close to the town of Toledo -- 26 pounds of dynamite readied to serve its fatal purpose.

But how could that be? After all, the jihadis had promised to play nice. Prior to the election of the Socialist party, a statement released by a group purporting to be al Qaeda said the Islamist brain trust would be content to leave the infidel-infested kingdom of Al Andalus -- that is, er, Spain -- in peace.

NOT A MONTH AFTER 3-11, Spain seemed taken unawares by the latest burst of terrorism. Even the outgoing Aznar government, always serious about the gravity of the terrorist threat, seemed startled by the steadfastness of the terrorists' commitment. You could hear it in the words of Spanish Interior Minister Angel Acebes. On Saturday, after tracking a gang of would-be bombers to their hideout, where they proceeded to blow themselves up, Acebes sounded almost surprised as he announced, "They were ready to commit new attacks." "

Excerpted from.
www.spectator.org...

Al Qaeda and other terrorists (remember that not too long ago there was a union of two other terrorist groups with Al Qaeda. I think the link is somewhere in the forums) still trying to attack spain?....wow, oh btw I posted a list of the successes Al Qaeda have proclaimed after 9/11 and they announced in a Islamic Global media.

Search the forums.

No...the links from terrorism seems pretty much to be Russia, and at least the Chinese believe it or not. It is also true they have some problems with some other terrorists, but there are many cells of terrorists, many groups fight for different things.

I have also posted several links of Russian and Chinese defectors who are now living in the US and were high ranking officials in the military.

Here is one of them.


"This is one of the many examples of the anti-American alliance between Red China and so-called democratic Russia and one more proof that the alliance is an established fact, not the figment of paranoid suspicion that many pretend. These two good neighbors already have advanced military and political liaison including secret cooperation in such sensitive areas as intelligence, integration of weapons systems and military command. Glonass will play a major role in the Russia-China united front against the U.S., N.A.T.O., and any other potential opponents.


Moscow and Beijing are also trying to influence America’s allies. Its well-known that France supports efforts by Russia and Communist China to lift the sanctions on Iraq. Even most of the U.S.'s N.A.T.O. allies favor keeping the U.S. defenseless under the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.

As recently reported by The Washington Times, the Chinese deputy foreign minister while in Germany hurled threats at the N.A.T.O. allies. He warned that any country rejecting China’s right to seize Taiwan by force would suffer the consequences. He then repeated the Russian charge that a U.S. missile defense would start a new arms race. "
.............
Colonel Stanislav Lunev is a former Russian spy. He is currently a consultant for the FBI and the CIA and writes a column for NewsMax.com. The highest-ranking military officer ever to defect from Russia to the United States, Lunev defected when Yeltsin came to power in 1992.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


BTW, before you say that the Russian defectors could be lying..... I was born in a communist country, and several members of my family had to be in the military in Cuba. There are good people in communist countries, many of them were in the military and realizing the evil of their elites decided to leave and warn the west about the real plans of the communist regimes.

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by Muaddib]

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