Insured people at greater risk of dying than uninsured

On average, 2426264 Americans die each year... only about 45,000 had no insurance.

Do the math, people! That means each year, 2381264 people die with insurance!

Say no to government run health care... statistically, it'll kill you!

Please continue to any ATS thread dealing with health insurance and cut / paste this post.

Wow.

At first I thought this was going to be an interesting thread.

Then I read it.



Sorry, but you are making one FATAL flaw in your assumptive logic. You are failing to consider the amount of deaths that would occur despite adequate medical attention (car accidents, gunshot wounds, etc.)

Then, you fail to take into account the fact that EVERYONE DIES, regardless of how well you take care of yourself. Even the best doctors cannot keep you alive forever.




Now, instead of using broken logic, why don't we examine the amount of deaths that could have been prevented with appropriate professional medical care amongst the insured versus the uninsured.

I think the results of such an investigation would be quite telling.

[edit on 17-3-2010 by drwizardphd]

reply to post by The Soothsayer


Nice try insurance company. Please tell me this is sarcasm.

reply to post by The Soothsayer

Do the math

You need to know the ratio of people who do and don't have insurance for your numbers to be meaningful. For example, let's say there are 100 people, and 10 die every year. And of those, 8 have insurance, and 2 do not. Sounds like a lot, right?

But...what if of the 100 people, 90 of them have insurance? That's means that 8 out of 90 people with insurance die every year. That's roughly 9 percent. But...two out of 10 people without insurance die every year. That's 20%. So death rates amongst those without insurance would be more than double that of those with.

But then, it might be the other way: if instead of 90 people having insurance, only 50 do...then 8 out of 50 or 16% with insurance die every year, but only 2 out of 50 without die every year, only 4 percent. So death rate amongst those with insurance would be four times that of those without.

You need more information that you've given to come to a reasonable conclusion.

i think its quite a logical....

take the amount of deaths, total...
take how many did or didn't have life insurance...

it doesn't matter if you died in a car or of old age or of the plague... you are dead and you had insurance...

besides getting insurance is planning ahead...

...getting comprehensive car insurance is planning to crash....

...getting life insurance is planning to die....
..........................so naturally your going to die!

reply to post by LordBucket

You need to know the ratio of people who do and don't have insurance

Found it: according to webmd.com:

number of Americans without health insurance rose slightly to 46.3 million in 2008

According to google, as of July 2009, the US population was 307,000,000.

So...accepting the degree of error from using data roughly one year apart...that works out to roughly 15% of americans have no health insurance. That matches what the media is reporting.

However...it seems that your initial premise is flawed. The 45,000 figure is not what you claim. It seems that it's not that 45,000 people die annually without insurance...but rather than 45,000 die every year because they have no insurance.

Give me a source for total number of annual deaths both with and without insurance, and I'll do the math for you.

reply to post by The Soothsayer


Is this a joke? Are you trying to illucidate how utterly irrational, illogical, and generally unable to make sense of their world insurance apologists are? If so, mission accomplished.

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 3/17/2010 by skunknuts]

Ooooh, Burn! Taken down by a guy who calls himself skunknutz... that`s sad man. No offense, mr.skunknuts sir, I find it clever that you name yourself that and then turn out to be a bright, well-rounded individual. The OP should be ashamed. Hey pal, think things through a little more next time before you go and post your shenanagins on the internet for all the world to see! Now you`re gonna have to get a new account just so you can change your name. Do you know what that entails? Aw forget it... What`s the use? He probably doesn`t care and probably will never realize why his little "equation" doesn`t make sense... there`s even other people posting about how logical it is...


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Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by The Soothsayer

 

Nice try insurance company. Please tell me this is sarcasm.

no, this is teabag logic. you're not supposed to laugh, you are to take this seriously and chant in a crowd, or yell it at a meeting...geez, get with the program, will yeh?

Originally posted by The Soothsayer
On average, 2426264 Americans die each year... only about 45,000 had no insurance.

Do the math, people! That means each year, 2381264 people die with insurance!

Say no to government run health care... statistically, it'll kill you!

Please continue to any ATS thread dealing with health insurance and cut / paste this post.

In AU people with private health care are usually under a single specialist...
...where public health is usually provided in teaching hospitals...
...where the specialist and student dynamic makes for better care...
...because more minds are considering the situation...
...there are less mistakes and better solutions result.

Also private health care entices people to have procedures they 'want'...
...and not just the procedures they 'need'...
...which further increases the risk of poor outcomes.

Private health insurance definitely carries the greater risk.

Funny how some people get this thread while a majority of others don't.

Is it meant to be taken as fact? Sure, why not... similar studies show that 90% of deaths can be linked to carrots... doesn't mean it has to be taken seriously.

drwizardphd - Same thing could be argued about the insured... unless you are making the statement that insured deaths are not needless.

Karlhungis- company man? Me... no; but at least you got the message, I think.

LordBucket - if only the people who are writing the health care bill would understand the same reasoning.

spearhead - this person gets it, too.

skunknuts - close, but no cigar. I'm making a statement about how idiotic it is for people to spew numbers to justify their reasoning when they have to take everything into consideration.

persons with health insurance get to use it more than the uninsured....more trips to the hospital for family members than uninsured, am i right?

[edit on 17-3-2010 by GBP/JPY]