Insured people at greater risk of dying than uninsured, page 1

reply to post by The Soothsayer

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Nice try insurance company. Please tell me this is sarcasm.

reply to post by The Soothsayer

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Do the math

You need to know the ratio of people who do and don't have insurance for your numbers to be meaningful. For example, let's say there are 100 people, and 10 die every year. And of those, 8 have insurance, and 2 do not. Sounds like a lot, right?

But...what if of the 100 people, 90 of them have insurance? That's means that 8 out of 90 people with insurance die every year. That's roughly 9 percent. But...two out of 10 people without insurance die every year. That's 20%. So death rates amongst those without insurance would be more than double that of those with.

But then, it might be the other way: if instead of 90 people having insurance, only 50 do...then 8 out of 50 or 16% with insurance die every year, but only 2 out of 50 without die every year, only 4 percent. So death rate amongst those with insurance would be four times that of those without.

You need more information that you've given to come to a reasonable conclusion.

reply to post by LordBucket

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You need to know the ratio of people who do and don't have insurance

Found it: according to webmd.com:

number of Americans without health insurance rose slightly to 46.3 million in 2008

According to google, as of July 2009, the US population was 307,000,000.

So...accepting the degree of error from using data roughly one year apart...that works out to roughly 15% of americans have no health insurance. That matches what the media is reporting.

However...it seems that your initial premise is flawed. The 45,000 figure is not what you claim. It seems that it's not that 45,000 people die annually without insurance...but rather than 45,000 die every year because they have no insurance.

Give me a source for total number of annual deaths both with and without insurance, and I'll do the math for you.

reply to post by The Soothsayer

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Is this a joke? Are you trying to illucidate how utterly irrational, illogical, and generally unable to make sense of their world insurance apologists are? If so, mission accomplished.

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 3/17/2010 by skunknuts]

Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by The Soothsayer

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Nice try insurance company. Please tell me this is sarcasm.

no, this is teabag logic. you're not supposed to laugh, you are to take this seriously and chant in a crowd, or yell it at a meeting...geez, get with the program, will yeh?

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