Its all bullcrap. He has advisor's that tell him what story's to use and when to use them. Its all a political game. They tell you what you want to hear. Anything to fool people into buying into this crap.

This was the Ole pitty party tactic. Where they try to convince us by putting poor pitiful individuals in the news that claim they have been ravaged by the current system.

Except the examples are turning out to be bunk. I think its funny how they cant even find someone who genuinely has been wronged by the current health care system.

yup - once again obamas lips were moving and everyone believed. She i believe wrote a letter about her plight to obama. Working the system and wanting donations. She can get healthcare but wants to help obama push his agenda. obama when he speaks about healthcare watch out his numbers never add up. this poor woman whether she wanted to be or not is a pawn now.

obama=liar,dirty,conman,grifter,POS,self absorbed,weak,feminine,drug addict,anti American,crybaby!

Nice find! I'll make sure the Obama-ites at work see this steaming pile of garbage. A few of them have realized Obama for the lying fraud that he is. This is just further proof.

How about this quote from the same article.

Obama is not wrong in saying that a patient in Canfield's situation might have to choose between her home and health care, said Eileen Sheil, a spokeswoman for Cleveland Clinic. "But this patient is probably not the best example of someone in that situation, although we've have patients in that situation who haven't yet qualified for Medicaid, or didn't have the resources" to pay for care, Sheil said.

Or, maybe this one.

Canfield has racked up thousands of dollars in debt from previous medical treatments, including a recent gall bladder infection, said her sister, Connie Anderson. "She was always raised to believe that you took care of yourself," Anderson said, explaining why her sister had not tried to apply for financial assistance before. "And she didn't want to be, you know, part of the system."

Or, even this one.

However, Canfield's fears that she could lose her home - if, for example, the hospital tried to put a lien on it - are not necessarily unfounded, Sornberger said. "There are other hospitals that will do that," he said. "There's nothing in the industry that says you can't do it. So she could go 5 miles to some other facility and find that they do have that practice in place."

The way I see it this thread is an example of the same thing you are accusing Obama of.

Just another game of "gotcha" with the "other side" instead of a real discussion of the issue.



On another note, genius/idoit, What does this contibute, and could you show your sources.

obama=liar,dirty,conman,grifter,POS,self absorbed,weak,feminine,drug addict,anti American,crybaby!

Well, nobody listens to what he is saying anyway.

They are all so enamored to just be in his presence he could speak gobbledygook and they would applaud.

His audiences have all been children,college students and those Dennis Kuchinick supporters.

Nobody of importance.

He is and will be found to be the most unqualified individual ever to be a President.

"W" will look like my avatar after this nincompoop

Well, if "might's don't count then what about the "she will most likely be eligible" in your quote. I suppose a "most likely" trumps a "might".

No, I know nothing about the hospitals in the area. I quoted from the same hospital official as you, from the same article, "There are other hospitals that will do that" (notice the will in there).

As for the "victim", the reasons for her ignorance are also stated in the article. Like many Americans she tried to do it on her own, but the rising cost of insurance pushed her out of the market. She was self-employed and bought private insurance. To suggest that she is somehow deficient is just an assumption at best.

If you want to run down the health care bill that's on the table, go for it. I have plenty of problems with it myself. Just do it honestly. Instead of picking out the kind of flaw you can find from any public official, right or left. These kind of attacks don't convince anybody. If you read back over this thread you will see that all you are doing is preaching to the choir.

Originally posted by jdub297
Our current system is CORRUPT. It is the result of government support of insurance companies who are merely "socializing" the costs of medical care.

Whether it is insurance companies or Obamacare, the health care consumer is NOT served by ANY system under which she has no control over the choice or costs of her care.

The biggest problem with our current system is GOVERNMENT both on the State and Federal levels. They handicap the insurance industry with rules and mandates that raise the costs of doing business and hamper competition. They jack up the cost of programs like Medicare and Medicaid by adding endless layers of bureaucracy. Something like 7 out of every 10 dollars in these programs is spent on administration. On both the State and Federal levels you have large office buildings, full of hundreds of people, who's job is to administer these programs. Problem is that ALL of these people are UNION members so when it comes time to reduce costs, the government reduces the amount it pays the doctors and hospitals, instead of doing what the private sector does and cut back on employees. As a result, the doctors and hospitals have to raise their rates to make-up for the shortfall. That means that insurance companies and people without insurance have to pay more for services to subsidize government programs.

Government won't do anything to reign in the trial lawyers, so billions of dollars are spent on defensive medicine. Don't tell me it isn't. A few months ago I cut my right leg and had to go to the emergency room for stitches. I'll admit that I'm a pretty big guy, but do I really need a heart sonagram and EKG just to get 8 stitches in my leg. The worst part is that I had just had both tests done at the same hospital a month prior as part of a physical. I was told that the privacy laws prohibited them from accessing the previous tests and not to worry because I had good insurance and it would pay for the tests.

I can go on all day here. This so called "Health Care Bill" has NOTHING in it to address these issues. It is more concerned about regulating vending machines and taking over the Student Loan Program. One last question. How is cutting $500 billion from Medicaid going to benefit anybody's health care?

obama=liar,dirty,conman,grifter,POS,self absorbed,weak,feminine,drug addict,anti American,crybaby!

Only like half of these serve as a problem, and the problem ones really also apply to most other candidates. I fail to see your point.