I'm glad you brought this up, OP.

I've been wondering, after all the turmoil ongoing in the US, if another secession might be in the making. Not that I'm necessarily endorsing it, by the way, but still, the idea is there.

I'm not an expert on the Constitution by any means, so perhaps you can help answer this question. Which takes precedence, federal or state law? Is it the same in every situation? In other words, can state law supercede federal mandates?

Cede? No. But what I would like to see happen is for the States to independently refuse to turn over collected taxes to the Federal Government and inform businesses within their State to stop collecting and paying FICA, SS and Medicare from their employee's paychecks.

The State would send officers/state national guard to employers, if need be, should Federal Officials try to harass. And continue until the Federal Government starts to act under the guidelines of the Constitution. After all, the police and guardsmen are a State's equivalent to the 2nd Amendment.

If it came right down to it, Eminent Domain could be used by a State on all those military bases within their Sovereign borders.

No need to cede their Federal Representation, just consider them as ambassadors and mediators to a rogue assembly. Too bad there isn't a Governor with the cojones to do just that.

[edit on 16-3-2010 by Ahabstar]

Yep. Violence is not necessary if states had balls.

Stop sending taxes to the feds, stop receiving money from the feds and start arresting the feds trying to enforce their unconstitutionnal laws in your state.

No violence needed.

Funny I see this.

I live in Michigan in an apartment complex. We have recently gained a new neighbor.

He drives a POS old pickup truck and he has a full size Confederate Flag on a pole in the bed of his truck.

Makes me proud to be an american.

I hadnt paid too much attention to how oppressive the government was to the states until a friend brought it to my attention. The Fed was only supposed to be organizing the military and paving the highways haha

I wonder if people form independent groups to resist the states. Since the states also subjugate their people as well with compulsion to unconstitutional state laws. Not always by legislation of federal edicts but state laws like indoor smoking bans, license laws for substance fishing/hunting. State and local taxes on income that are payroll deducted that are not equally distributed but are progress tables like the IRS's.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Nevertheless, Lincoln’s views on government were clearly expressed in his famous “House Divided” speech when he articulated to the south that he would not allow different states to take different sides on different issues. We would, “become all one thing, or all the other.” With all due respect to Mr. Lincoln, this was a radical departure from the Founders’ view of federalism and good government. And as a consequence, things got really ugly.

By jove, maybe THAT's what Obama meant by using the Lincoln bible to be sworn in with! Nah, couldn't be...

It's funny this thread comes up... I've been thinking about writing a similar one because I've been noticing a lot of people in my area talking about this. On the street, at the hairdresser, in bars, at the dentist's office , at work, just to name the ones I can remember right off hand... Not really seriously discussing it, like in planning it or anything, but people making comments that would never have been made in public before now - out of respect. The topic of federal government oppression certainly is becoming more and more mainstream and everyday people are discussing it.

I forgot to mention, I live in the deep south.



[edit on 16/3/2010 by Iamonlyhuman]

When it comes down to it, it's a battle between the ``the government knows what's best for me, to hell with the constitution`` group and the ``let's respect the constitution`` group.

You got it OP! S&F..
As much as I don't want to admit it. Eventually the people will have had enough.
Not sure what will happen or what will be the straw that breaks the camels back but the overall morale is not good.

Faith in our government to follow the rules and not try to change them is virtually non existent. The people on the hill are gravitating toward a way of thinking that is a complete contradiction to our constitution.

If we could just find a president that will follow the road map (constitution & Bill of rights) left by those before us instead of exerting so much energy trying to change or circumvent everything. They just might realize that we can be a great nation again.

Freedom is a direct threat to those who want to control. We currently have an abundance of individuals who's number one goal is to gain control. Guess what they have to overcome to gain control?

So, does anyone have statisticvs on what % of the soldiers come from the north vs the south?

What about the secessionist states vs non? Im thinking all southern states in Civil war + texas +vermont... will come back to the thread....

Originally posted by vonholland
So, does anyone have statisticvs on what % of the soldiers come from the north vs the south?

What about the secessionist states vs non? Im thinking all southern states in Civil war + texas +vermont... will come back to the thread....

ok so to add this from infowars..
21 States Claiming Sovereignty: AZ, AL, AK, AR, CA, CO, GA, HI, ID, IN, KS, ME, MI, MO, MT, NH, NV, OK, PA, TX, & WA

not bad, and hawaii wants full independence. Cool. Don't know if its enough, but its alot.

I personally think we need to chuck the Fed reserve. That would make me a happier drone of the corporation. that and the fact we are fighting two wars overseas and countless black ops, it may be very hard for the government to stop it.

Originally posted by endisnighe


Now, I have an idea that is kind of out there. Just think of this one, the federal government controls the States by controlling the money. Right?

Let us say a State really wants to tell the federal government to take a leap, enact legislation stating federal law is un Constitutional and have all businesses quit taking out federal income tax.

Hmmm, that would be the shot heard around the world. What you think?

Dudes, exactly what I was thinking. Say no to Federal taxes per state, and they will be the ones crapping their pants, not the states not paying that. Not only that, people will have so much more $ that would go to local businesses, darn that stuff would flourish!

Let's really think through some of the ideas of seceding and stop paying taxes to the federal government.

Most states get more federal funding back than thy pay to the government in taxes. Funny that someone posted the link about Virginia saying no to the HC mandate...you know who gets the most funding per capita??? You guessed it...Virginia.

So what happens when the states stop paying taxes and say they are seceding??? Well of course all federal funding will cease to that state.

This is a very very short list of progams that will stop...Medicare, Social Security payments, welfare, food stamps, education funding, transportation funding, FDIC, mortgage backing, money circulation, farm subsidies...I'm sure there are thousands of more...this is just off the top of my head.

Medicare, social security, welfare, food stamps: That state is going to have a lot of very poor, hungry and sick people. Any plans on dealing with that?

Education funding: Teachers aren't going to work for free...colleges will most likely shut down too.

FDIC: Bank runs like you've never seen before. Once the FDIC is no longer backing deposits...are you going to leave your money there?

Mortgage Backing: Freddie and Fannie won't be backing any more loans...credit will all but stop in that state.

Money Circulation: After awhile with no fresh money coming from the Fed...money is going to be short. That is if money will even be considered worth anything since they are United States notes...not individual state notes. So what will the state do for currency??? Print it's own?

Will the federal government allow transportation in and out of the state that does this? How long will food supplies last without food coming in from other states?

This isn't the 1800's...people are no longer self sufficient. Do you think people are just going to go about normal daily activities? Go to work? Go to school? I don't think so...I would expect a mass exodus out of that state once this is done.


I'm sorry to rain on everyones parade here...but I like to be realistic about things. I just provided a small list of things that I see as a realistic problem with what is being proposed here...and I'm sure there are many many more.