Loud sex enough for cops to search your home, court rules, page 4
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reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:13 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Magnum007




Meanwhile the girl inside is taped to the chair naked, raped and trying to scream for help... What do you tell the family of the victim? "Sorry, they had a real good story ready for me when I spoke to them separately"...


Well then there wouldn't have been any screams in the first place to prompt the call would there?

Your arguments are emotional and not intellectual ones.

People REACT emotionally, they however RESPOND intellectually.

People putting forth arguments based on emotion are looking for a reaction and not a response.

Reactions are purely based on emotion without people taking the time to think to weigh pros and cons.

Responses are based on a thorough analysis of pros and cons, facts and fictions and intellectually formulated.

Personally I view anyone putting forth emotional arguments as knowing they are coming from a weak position.

Especially when it’s someone who questions and interrogates for a living and knows how to manipulate and dominate through emotion, so while you can keep going up the emotional tree I am going to stay on CONSTITUTIONAL ground while eyeing that tree for watering in that beloved and famed way that our forefathers suggested it would eventually need to be when government and it’s authorities become to tyrannical and intrusive.

Has it ever occurred to you that no matter how you might, I might, or anyone else might, that life is a temporal and fragile thing that absolutely CAN NOT BE GAURANTEED.

That it is utterly impossible to protect people from everything and everyone and only a fool would try, and only a fool would believe someone or something could protect them from everything and everyone in a fluid and temporal existence.

I reject the police state. The United States and Canada have turned into a police state, you do realize we are talking about a human now being warehoused for 10 years at collective taxpayer expense for having loud sex and possessing a natural plant that grows all on its own in the wild?

That my friend is nuts…

What would I tell the parents of anyone who ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Sorry folks your child ended up in the wrong place and the wrong time.

Anyone who would trade their liberty and freedoms for security deserves neither.

I for one reject the emotional ploys and manipulations.


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:13 PM by EMPIRE
reply to post by AzoriaCorp


They'd also end up losing a lot of evidence at suppresion hearings.


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:16 PM by richierich
Originally posted by rcwj1975
If your going to grow illegal drugs, and an amount OBVIOUS for selling, then I would think you SHOULD be smart enough to know your rights. Especially if the place you decide to grow said illegal drug is in your house. May wanna brush up on what leverage you got when cops knock...

As for the search itself, if this is appealed it MAY get squashed by the higher court. I personally, if responding to this scene, would of asked to come in and look around and make sure it WAS just sex. Had the home owner denied me concent to search, at that point I simply would of been done with the call and left.

In my opinion, having worked drug interdiction, this was a planned event and not as random as one may think.

EDIT TO ADD: The behavior of the couple would also weigh in on how comfortable I would be to take their "it was us having sex" reason for getting the call.

[edit on 3/16/2010 by rcwj1975]



If you think that 15 plants, which average ONE ounce each dried, average, is enough to indicate sales, you are mistaken, and badly. i know cops always inflate the values of everything by 1000%, but lets be real.

A medical user could easily need to keep at LEAST 15 average plants going at all times to maintain a moderate pain regimen. this is what bugs me: Cops thinking they are experts at everythimng.

They are doctors when giving their opinions on medpot...they are able to discern even your very thoughts..your intent, and use iot to arrest you. Cops are expert at NOTHING except perhaps, and with great additional training, some technical area of their work. There was a case in California recently where a cop was disqualified from giving ' expert' testimony, because his only opinion was that the law was wrong and he didn't like it!!

He said that the law did NOT allow something that the law plainly says DID allow!! But to admit that the law said what it did would have meant losing the case..see how far a cop will go to ensure a conviction? Thankfully the cops lost that case.

If you are an expert at plant quantities, please tell us the following with accuracy; how many plants would a legal patient need, at the national average on ONE ounce per plant dried, to medicate him for one year, a a consumption rate of 1/4 OZ per day? How many would be in a perpetual grow and provide enough medicine for his needs?

If you think the answer is 15, or anywhere close, you are mistaken. If you take into account growing times, harvest amounts, failures due to pests ( including cops ) or other unforeseen occurances....you are no expert!!

So see how you automatically branded this guy as a dealer just because he had a emasly 15 plants. People who deal almost NEVER grow it themselves...and most people who grow it themselves do so for medical reasons.

Once the sickening and awful plague of PROHIBITION has had its' head bashed in beyond repair, moral outrages like this cannot happen. 10 years of a mans life because cops feel so empowered that they can storm in anywhere and justify it by claiming that there ' might be ' some child...blah blah...makes a decent and moral persons stomach turn..its always for the children...from WACO and on and on...

When facism comes to America, it will be draped in the flag and carrying a cross.


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:17 PM by Magnum007
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Emotional response? lol... This is a LEGAL requirement. It is our job to PROTECT LIFE... If not, then what else are we to do? If you are not happy with the laws that are in place, then you know what to do.

Until then, people who grow illegal plants will go to jail. Plain and simple.

Magnum


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:19 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by jam321




Who is the one at fault here, the man for not knowing his rights or the cops for trying to get to the bottom of a 911 call?


It used to be government maintained a much greater degree of authority in schools than they attempted to do at home.

Now its the other way around. Schools are war zones with the kids in charge learning from a watered down ciricullum that is purposefully designed to make them functionally illiterate.

So the truth is that much of this persons problems start and end with the government.

If the government it is going to pretend it can protect us from everything and everyone by giving up our liberties and rights then the government could also take it upon itself to teach those rights in an environment that is conducive to learning.

Of course they don't do the latter because they are far more interested in the former.

The truth is that with 600,000 codes on the book literally everyone is now a criminal.

Thankfully for cops for the most part they protect one another if and when they can when it comes to violations.

For the rest of society its a government dog eat enslaved citizen world.


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:21 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by Magnum007
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Emotional response? lol... This is a LEGAL requirement. It is our job to PROTECT LIFE... If not, then what else are we to do? If you are not happy with the laws that are in place, then you know what to do.

Until then, people who grow illegal plants will go to jail. Plain and simple.

Magnum


Why yes of course its an emotional attempt and ploy. You keep asking about a hypothetical victim to a hypothetical crime and their hypothetical family that never occured.

Obviously you have failed to understand in this case their was no victim of a violent crime and NO ONE needed the police's protection.

Wow I hope the prosecutors keep you off the stand for the most part.


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:22 PM by rcwj1975
reply to post by richierich


Oh good old richie....you think he had a medical perscription for the 12oz found? Then add on the plants. If so why didn't he present it to the judge or better yet to the officers on scene?

if you have a stash of just over 12oz and are growing some on top of that...yeah you got a hell of a case of glaucoma......and I don't need to be an "expert" to see that.

By the way, if your going to say someone is on these boards is claiming to be an "expert" or "always right", please look in the mirror...cause if you read my posts you'll see, I sure as hell ain't perfect and never once claimed to be....but then again I am man enough to say so...


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:24 PM by Magnum007
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by Magnum007
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Emotional response? lol... This is a LEGAL requirement. It is our job to PROTECT LIFE... If not, then what else are we to do? If you are not happy with the laws that are in place, then you know what to do.

Until then, people who grow illegal plants will go to jail. Plain and simple.

Magnum


Why yes of course its an emotional attempt and ploy. You keep asking about a hypothetical victim to a hypothetical crime and their hypothetical family that never occured.

Obviously you have failed to understand in this case their was no victim of a violent crime and NO ONE needed the police's protection.

Wow I hope the prosecutors keep you off the stand for the most part.



This is how we make sure people are safe! How are we to know who lives where, with who and what they are up to? So we now need to wait until someone reports a death in a place in order to confirm suspicions? Come on, you seem like an intelligent person.



reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:25 PM by jam321
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler




The truth is that with 600,000 codes on the book literally everyone is now a criminal.


Probably true. What makes it even harder is trying to figure out which ones are being enforced?

Once again, thanks for a lively and courteous debate my friend.


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:32 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Magnum007




This is how we make sure people are safe! How are we to know who lives where, with who and what they are up to? So we now need to wait until someone reports a death in a place in order to confirm suspicions? Come on, you seem like an intelligent person.


Oh that's easy my Mounty friend, dismount, and start pounding the pavement with your shoe leather like a good gum shoe should.

Walk your beat get involved in your community in a positive way.

Mentor young people, pay attention to your neighborhood.

A good cop would have already known the people in that apartment were prone to loud sex and a good cop would have already known they were growing marijuana.

A great cop would make the decision to take him down or not based on how the person really contributed to the community.

If the guy kept below the radar, only sold to mature adults, got along well with others and spread his money around with local merchants that would be a guy you let keep on keeping on.

If the guy was a true mennace who wore T-shirts that say "I sell weed" and hung around the school yard and beating up little kids, etc., etc., didn't hold open doors for little old ladies, failed to leave at least 15% gratuity on all checks at restaurants then that's a guy to toss in jail!

Must I do everything on this planet?

Do your job right and stop making excuses for sloppy and lazy police work.



[edit on 16/3/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:37 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler




The truth is that with 600,000 codes on the book literally everyone is now a criminal.


Probably true. What makes it even harder is trying to figure out which ones are being enforced?

Once again, thanks for a lively and courteous debate my friend.


Just remember my friend this strategy on the part of the government is bound to backfire for one simple reason...

The age old addage of the horse theif...

They can only hang you once!


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:39 PM by Magnum007
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Magnum007




This is how we make sure people are safe! How are we to know who lives where, with who and what they are up to? So we now need to wait until someone reports a death in a place in order to confirm suspicions? Come on, you seem like an intelligent person.


Oh that's easy my Mounty friend, dismount, and start pounding the pavement with your shoe leather like a good gum shoe should.

Walk your beat get involved in your community in a positive way.

Mentor young people, pay attention to your neighborhood.

A good cop would have already known the people in that apartment were prone to loud sex and a good cop would have already known they were growing marijuana.

A great cop would make the decision to take him down or not based on how the person really contributed to the community.

If the guy kept below the radar, only sold to mature adults, got along well with others and spread his money around with local merchands that would be a guy you let keep on keeping on.

If the guy was a true mennace who wore T-shirts that say "I sell weed" and hung around the school yard and beating up little kids, etc., etc., didn't hold open doors for little old ladies, failed to leave at least 15% gratuity on all checks at restaurants then that's a guy to toss in jail!

Must I do everything on this planet?

Do your job right and stop making excuses for sloppy and lazy police work.



So justice should really not be the same for everyone. "If you're generally good, but also bad at once, then the good prevails" Sort of a "get out of jail free" card... And yes, I will know everyone in my area like the back of my hand... Sometimes people have the greatest fantasies in their heads...

Please tell me you are joking, if not, walk the beat for yourself and see what it's like for real.

Magnum


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:41 PM by warisover
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Hi PT, Wow, what a story, so there can be no more screaming with pleasure while doing the nasty with your significant other what a world we are now living in.
What I don't understand is, why the homeowner didn't open fire on the intruders when they first stepped in the door? Were they invited in?


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:46 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Magnum007


Actually my friend statistics show that increasing foot beats have a dramatic impact on reducing crime and criminal activity.

Even in highly urban settings like New York City where it was Rudy Gulliani who was largely credited with turning a spiraling crime situation back around by making cops do just that.

Cops used to walk beats, they said hi to everyone they passed, they struck up conversations with anyone who wanted to talk, they LISTENED to what people had to say.

People have a lot to say.

Now it's not uncommon to see a person get a code violation auto related infraction and see three single manned police vehicles lined up in a row engines running wasting gas for a half an hour while one of them rights a ticket.

What a tragic waste of resources and anyone who has a mind for logistics would know that, the gasoline the man hours the wear and tear on the vehicles all to basically accomplish nothing.

Meanwhile the other one or two cops could have been out walking their neighborhood, getting to know the merchants and the neighbors, at the school at the community centers lending an ear, lending a shoulder, lending an encouraging word to those most in need of one.

I guess you are too young to know that's what the police in America used to do for the most part.

Before the police basically just became code enforcement henchmen to enrich the corporate incorporated governments.
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