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reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 04:32 PM by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by Maddogkull



I refer you to the Goddess for that answer.

philoctetes.free.fr...


Come now, I will tell thee - and do thou hearken to my
saying and carry it away - the only two ways of search that
can be thought of. The first, namely, that It is, and that it is
impossible for anything not to be, is the way of. conviction,

5 for truth is its companion.. The other, namely, that It is not,
and that something must needs not be, - that, I tell thee, is a
wholly untrustworthy path. For you cannot know what is
not - that is impossible - nor utter it;




reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 04:45 PM by OnceReturned
It's impossibe in principal. Concepts have qualities, and that's all that they have. Nothingness doesn't have qualities. You can't conceptualize it.

Read
this article. A quote from it:


[P]eople in every culture believe in an afterlife of some kind or, at the very least, are unsure about what happens to the mind at death. My psychological research has led me to believe that these irrational beliefs, rather than resulting from religion or serving to protect us from the terror of inexistence, are an inevitable by-product of self-consciousness. Because we have never experienced a lack of consciousness, we cannot imagine what it will feel like to be dead. In fact, it won’t feel like anything—and therein lies the problem.


Consciousness is made of, and inseparable from, its contents. It is not capable of containing nothingness, because then the consciousness itself wouldn't exist.



[edit on 3/16/10 by OnceReturned]


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 06:32 PM by LordBucket
reply to post by Maddogkull




Trying to conceptualize nothingness. Need Help!


May I suggest that instead of trying to conceptualize nothingness, you simply stop conceptualizing.

You do not empty a cup by putting emptiness into it. You empty a cup by pouring the contents out.


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 09:31 PM by mr-lizard
Originally posted by LordBucket
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post by Maddogkull




Trying to conceptualize nothingness. Need Help!


May I suggest that instead of trying to conceptualize nothingness, you simply stop conceptualizing.

You do not empty a cup by putting emptiness into it. You empty a cup by pouring the contents out.


OR you don't buy a cup in the first place?


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 11:21 PM by LordBucket
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I would like to request that moderators do not delete the post I am replying to for being a oneliner. It is not a one liner. It is a no-liner, and it is completely relevant to this thread.


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 11:47 PM by UberL33t
First:

reply to
post by Mumbotron






LoL Classic!!



Now to the OP and the subject at hand!!

reply to post by Maddogkull



Sir, I completely understand your dilemma. I have been struggling with this concept for ages.

I have a few notions on providing a valid concept of "nothing". However I should tell you upfront that I usually, in all cases, end up back at square one.

If you're interested, allow me to show you where I am at in trying to conceptualize this...

Please do this for me, look at the palm of your hands for a second, now look around the room you're in. Look around at all of the "stuff" in that room.

Okay now, visualize the house (apt/flat/loft/cardboard box whatever) where you live, the city, state (if applicable), country you live in, our Earth we live on, which is a speck in our solar system, which is a speck in our Milky Way Galaxy, which is a speck in our Universe.

Okay let us stop there and we'll assume that there are no other levels past our Universe.

Okay now look at the palms of your hands again.

At one point the palms of those hands (more so the person connected to them) were at one point "non-existent", alternatively "not" and therefore "nothing" not even a speck.

The same applies to everything after the palms of your hands.

So here is where I start to get perplexed. It is all clear and quite logical to me up until the point where I reach our Universe. At one point everything, was "nothing" or "non-existent". So this raises the question how did allllll of this "something" come from, at what one point, had to be "nothing"?

So this got me pondering, look at your hands again and ask yourself this...

How did these hands, that were once "nothing", become something?

It took two other sets of hands to make your hands exist, or become "something". More or less, it took an "action" from your parents, to create the "reaction" which was you.

Now again, apply the varied actions and reactions to everything on your list after the palms of your hands and the "nothing" they once were is for the most part conceptualized by the an "action" creates a "reaction" basic Newtonian stuff.

So on that notion our Universe would have needed an "action" to create the current "reaction" a.k.a. existence. Cue "Big Bang" vs. "Divine Creation" debate. I'm not going there!!

Personally, I always end up faced with the same mind bending question.

In my opinion (which are based on the aforementioned thoughts, ideas, and opinions) there had to be "nothing" in the beginning!

How does a Universe full of all this "something" come from "nothing"??
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