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reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 05:30 PM by Scramjet76

reply to post by Bunken Drum

I've found that their reading comprehension has been a bit deficient

My reading comprehension was deficient (and probably still is).... I have a good excuse though..... I attended public schools.

Seriously, you can't force people to pick up a textbook. What I do know is that textbooks are sooo 1970. This is the 21st century and our culture needs to start recognizing that.

I think taking part in the ATS community can be just as good of a learning tool as a silly (biased) textbook. Good luck finding that in a public curriculum! I doubt the Texas board of education even knows what ATS is!

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 01:17 AM by nycfrog27

Interesting how the post has turned! First, I didn't respond to the OP to have people get so bent out of shape about the whole religion thing. However, if History is to be deemed as the study of past events/ occurences, people, places and things (and all afformentioned interactions) then we are supposed to report FACTS, right? And the FACTS are (as I understand them to be) groups of English left England to escape the religious persecution of Qn. Elizabeth (is that the correct one? please correct if not) and set out on a voyage westbound. They wanted to be able to practice CHRISTIANITY as they believed to be, w/o fear of the English Monarchy. So, they practiced their CHRISTIANITY as they wanted, HERE. Now, fast forward to 1776. The original drafters of the Constitution/Declaration of Independence were ALL Christian! Hence, all of the God refernces contained therein those documents. Now, that doesn't mean that a person couldn't practice another type of religion>see Bill of Rights, but make no mistake about it. The forefathers were Christian.

Now, if Liberalism/Leftist regimes and agendas (again, as I know it) stand on the basic principles that a person can worship whomever they want or choose to be an atheist, THAT'S OK, right? That IS what they stand for right? One of the qualities? Then, how come they despise Christians so much? Isn't being a Christian exercising that person's right to choose who they want to worship? Shouldn't Liberals EMBRACE Christianity, instead of constantly attacking it? It's very evident in what they have been able to achieve in the last 100 yrs. No need to give examples, but removing prayer from school and the distaste of Christmas are a couple that really stand out to me more than others. I can't think of any religion that doesn't welcome someone else praying for their children. As having been to the Middle East, despite what the media has told you, Muslims RELATE to Christians more than some of you may know (w/ the exception of the extremists, mind you)! That is just an example. However, as it is MY understanding I believe in GOD, I believe in equality for all, democracy and everyone has a chance to get rich (Capitalism). I don't believe that we should kill an unborn child and I believe that the Govn't works for ME (and you) not the other way around.

Now, I ask you this: what is so wrong with that?

If there is such a thing as a Conservative Independent, than that is what you can label my political affiliation as. Wait a minute, that's the same ideaology as our forfathers, isn't it??? HMM.

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 02:47 AM by liquidsmoke206

reply to post by nycfrog27

However, if History is to be deemed as the study of past events/ occurences, people, places and things (and all afformentioned interactions) then we are supposed to report FACTS, right?

ah the facts.....like I said there are no facts in history.......history is...history. interpret as you will...

groups of English left England to escape the religious persecution of Qn. Elizabeth (is that the correct one? please correct if not) and set out on a voyage westbound.

why couldn't this be nonsense....i mean religions that are not accepted have flourished as sub cultures just fine. why pack up everything and move to a new unknown world? Have you investigated other reasons? Maybe look into economic/class issues of the time...you may be suprised.

The original drafters of the Constitution/Declaration of Independence were ALL Christian!

is that a "fact?" how christian were they.....hmmmm...a better question is how free mason were they. Free masons will allow anyone of any religion to join their ranks so long as they believe in a higher power of some kind....in english we refer to higher power as "god." perhaps you could look some quotes by the likes of jefferson who speak out against the negativity of religion.

Then, how come they despise Christians so much? Isn't being a Christian exercising that person's right to choose who they want to worship? Shouldn't Liberals EMBRACE Christianity, instead of constantly attacking it?

no one's saying you cant believe christianity...but why wouldn't you attack and ridicule a belief system that has been the source of so many tragic events. Also, they may be taking the liquidsmoke standpoint mercilessly attacking anything that is blatantly stupid....I mean...does this sound like anything that anyone with a brain would believe?

Christianity: The belief that a jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil source from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

makes perfect sense.....

No need to give examples, but removing prayer from school and the distaste of Christmas are a couple that really stand out to me more than others.

explain to me why prayer should have a place in any classroom outside of a church. explain to me what jesus would think of the commercialism and materialism that his birthday stands for these days. And what distaste?

If there is such a thing as a Conservative Independent, than that is what you can label my political affiliation as. Wait a minute, that's the same ideaology as our forfathers, isn't it??? HMM.

dunno...why dont you dig one up and ask him? it's all history at this point bub.

now go ahead and make your assumptions, I'll be happy to shoot them down because the only thing you can label me is....

liquidsmoke206

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 03:21 AM by nycfrog27

reply to post by liquidsmoke206

whatever. that's all your opinion. respect my religion, DO NOT degrade my GOD. I shut out your post as soon as you insulted myself, others who share a similar belief, and my God. Freemasonry is not a religion, it is a sociable club much like college fraternities. Hate to break it to you, but they were all Christians. Instead of assuming that you know everything and using inflammatory rhetoric, be conscious of other peoples' belief. You proved mine and other peoples' point by the nastiness and know-it-all liberalist stout standpoint, that you have shown to take, that is plaguing and otherwise brainwashing people who either do not care, or are ignorant of the fact. You seem to want to engage me in a debate. Again, a sign of being steadfast in your belief system. You seem to have a quick answer for all my questions, except for the main one that I asked...If Liberals are so much for the people to have a belief in whatever, then why don't they EMBRACE Christianity? If they don't embrace Christianity, then they are Dividers, instead of Uniters- which is what Liberals want to be labled as, as far as in the media that is. But, people are waking up. No party is absolutely right. However, when I went into battle, my commanding officers had a battle plan. We had a FOUNDATION in which we stood on. A protocol, if you will. We didn't "roam" around freely, doing as we pleased- it would've got us killed. In contrast, the Liberals "roam" around as they please, with no foundation in which to "stand" upon. Everything goes. Well, I got news for you, instability and having no foundation will cause the death of this ideaology that is poison. A.K.A- Liberalism.

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 04:12 AM by Bunken Drum

reply to post by Scramjet76

What I do know is that textbooks are sooo 1970. This is the 21st century and our culture needs to start recognizing that.

Well yes, but I've also heard that a lot of the curriculum in the USA is taught by syndicated TV. That's certainly a step in the direction of following the trends of our society, but is it good education? I wonder about the AV content of online education resources also.
The problem is that a book is an object that someone can easily reread a paragraph from, whereas AV has a culture attached whereby we just press play & watch. I suspect that a great deal of info in such media goes unnoticed by many.
Lets be honest, few of us "get it" 1st time, if the subject is complex: recapitulation is necessary. Of course, one can always rewind, but apart from the cultural bias against doing so, much of the communication in AV media is not overtly semantic; between the script, the music & the pictures, there is a guess we must make as to what the overall meaning is. Whilst we are still learning the skills of critical thinking, how likely is it that we can "guess right" enough to have a meaningful discussion with a teacher? A textbook however is much more concrete communication.
I believe that the meta-language of multi-media ought to be taught to children from age 7, but the only way to understand a great deal of the legacy of human knowledge is to be able to read well, thus well written textbooks are essential.

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 04:13 AM by kettlebellysmith

In reference to Thomas Jefferson, the man was comparable in being a well rounded genius comparable only to Ben Franklin.
During a meeting with numerous Nobel Prize winners in the White House John Kennedy remarked, "Never has such genius been gathered in one room, except when Thomas Jefferson dined alone." Never have the accomplishments of one man been so succicntly described.
Thank God for Texas.
They will also be required to recite 45 words which descdribes the placement of the government versuses the citizens. Guess who comes up in first place? The citizens.
God bless Texas!

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 04:31 AM by Goathief

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

You want to see REAL AMERICANS? Go to Texas!

I would prefer Texas writing history over any other state.

Well it certainly would make interesting reading for anyone with just a basic understanding of the real world, I dread to think what would happen if the entire population of the USA were raised on Texan education. I think this video speaks volumes;

www.break.com...

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 05:51 AM by nik1halo

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I will say one thing to play devil's advocate

You want to see REAL AMERICANS? Go to Texas!

I would prefer Texas writing history over any other state.

Or, just a crazy thought here, but what about not leaving it up to any state, political agency or religious doctrine and getting the historians to write the text books and decide what the most pertinent facts that need to be know are.

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 07:51 AM by Bunken Drum

reply to post by Goathief

I dread to think what would happen if the entire population of the USA were raised on Texan education

Well, all facetiousness aside, apparently 80% of Americans already are getting a texan education. I find this quite interesting, considering what US education seems to produce (not that I'm claiming UK education is a panacea of learning either).
Back to the facetiousness then... why are cowboy boots pointy toed? So you can kick sh!t in the corners!

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 09:01 AM by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by nycfrog27
Interesting how the post has turned! ...The original drafters of the Constitution/Declaration of Independence were ALL Christian! .

How come an ignorant foreigner gets to chime in and note that Jefferson seems not to have been a Christian, and I have some doubts about Franklin, though I'm not as sure.

Seems to say something about the present state of the Union when your 'facts' are already kinda gooey.

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 03:15 PM by liquidsmoke206

reply to post by nycfrog27

this is gonna be too easy.....

whatever. that's all your opinion.

kind of point there pal....that there are no facts in history...just opinions and interpretation...

respect my religion, DO NOT degrade my GOD.

I'll respect your religion when it respects my intelligence, and common sense for that matter.

I shut out your post as soon as you insulted myself, others who share a similar belief, and my God.

you shut out my post when you realized it made perfect sense and that even with your almighty god behind you, you couldn't muster any real argument against it...

Freemasonry is not a religion, it is a sociable club much like college fraternities.

yeah I know...i said that in post. I mean, really?

Hate to break it to you, but they were all Christians. Instead of assuming that you know everything and using inflammatory rhetoric, be conscious of other peoples' belief.

I'm conscious of your beliefs, that's how I know they are way off. Not that I know everything, I mean again, that's my point...that you can't know everything about history...but...what do you think of this...
religious beliefs of founding fathers..
and this...
US founding fathers: their religious beliefs.
and this...
our founding fathers were not christian
should I keep going? so where are your sources? let me guess, yer pastor said it was so...

Sorry pal, I don't respect the beliefs of gullible people.

You proved mine and other peoples' point by the nastiness and know-it-all liberalist stout standpoint, that you have shown to take, that is plaguing and otherwise brainwashing people who either do not care, or are ignorant of the fact.

I'm not a liberal...but remove the word liberalist and replace it with christian and you have a much more accurate sentence.

You seem to want to engage me in a debate. Again, a sign of being steadfast in your belief system.

yeah I like debating, what of it? My belief system is liquid, yours is steadfast. Thats what christianity is all about..never questioning.

You seem to have a quick answer for all my questions, except for the main one that I asked...If Liberals are so much for the people to have a belief in whatever, then why don't they EMBRACE Christianity?

sorry that my answers are so quick, but it's not like your asking tough questions. What makes you think some liberals don't embrace it? And being that they are for a belief in whatever, then what makes you think that all of them should sign up to christianity? Your own definition of a liberal describes them as open minded! it's like yer caught in the old catch 22. You can't even see what you're saying. Are you like 14? Honestly, if yer kid just say so and I'll go easy on you...

If they don't embrace Christianity, then they are Dividers, instead of Uniters- which is what Liberals want to be labled as, as far as in the media that is. But, people are waking up.

this statement could not be further from awake. anyone who doesn't embrace christianity is a divider? why not just call them infidels!!? LOL....get it?

No party is absolutely right.

except christians. right? I have repeatedly posted in this thread that my opinions are not solid and historical facts are open to interpretation. Have you done the same? You have posted everything with an air of being absolutely right.

However, when I went into battle, my commanding officers had a battle plan. We had a FOUNDATION in which we stood on. A protocol, if you will. We didn't "roam" around freely, doing as we pleased- it would've got us killed. In contrast, the Liberals "roam" around as they please, with no foundation in which to "stand" upon. Everything goes. Well, I got news for you, instability and having no foundation will cause the death of this ideaology that is poison. A.K.A- Liberalism.

yeah really horrible analogy here...yer basically saying your anti-freedom. You'd love to see a religious/military state, maybe you should move to Iran. You think liberalism is poison because they allow for people to believe whatever they want, even if there are very few facts to back up their beliefs, as a christian you should be happy about this, since your entire religion is based on very few verifiable facts.

What you'd like to see in schools are "christian textbooks." You're not concerned with any other interpretation of anything. For you everything must be pro-christian.

Thanks for playin'

now collect yourself and respond.

-Liquid

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 06:19 PM by nycfrog27

ok, internet "gangster". I never said that I believe that my country should be Pro-Christian. I embrace different religions. But, having had lived in Seattle for two yrs, I know that the majority of Seattle-ites are warped in their thinking and don't respect the American Soldier, such as myself. So, you can continue to degrade me and put me down and make ASSUMPTIONS like you know me (which you don't). It doesn't bother me. However, everytime you respond you sling mud. I don't. that's the difference between me and you. This conversation is over. I'm entitled to my beliefs, as you are. No one influences my beliefs except my own interpretation to what's around me. I am neither right, nor wrong-as you. Since you are sure to respond with more feces throwing, you are iggied. I bow out now, NOT defeated, just don't like arguing with people who automatically they know me b/c they met another Christian (before me) whom they didn't like. You assume to much. I am not 14. However, your responses make people presume that YOU are 14 in your mind.

reply posted on 17-3-2010 @ 06:43 PM by jam321

FYI

After considering about 300 amendments during its January and March meetings, the State Board of Education, on a 10-5 vote today, gave preliminary approval to new social studies curriculum standards that will be used in the Texas public schools.

The wide-ranging debate over what should be taught in history classes covered everything from non-controversial items to heavily discussed topics such as how the history of the Alamo should be taught and whether hip hop should be discussed in classrooms. (All those who died at the Alamo will be discussed in seventh grade Texas history classes. Hip hop will not be part of the official curriculum standards.)

A document containing the extensive revisions will be posted on the Texas Education Agency website and posted in the Texas register by mid-April. Once posted, the official 30-day public comment period will begin. At that time, comments with suggested changes to the document can be sent to rules@tea.state.tx.us.

The board will then consider additional updates and final adoption at its May meeting. The new standards will replace Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills last adopted in 1997.

www.tea.state.tx.us...

The Fox Network in recent days has repeatedly broadcast highly inaccurate information about the State Board of Education’s efforts to adopt the new social studies curriculum standards.
Here are the facts. The direct quotes come from the March 10 broadcast of Fox & Friends.

Fox: “Texas board of education begins hearings today on proposed changes to textbooks…”
The truth: The State Board of Education today is expected to take a preliminary vote on updated social studies curriculum standards. The standards detail what teachers are to teach in each class. New social studies textbooks are not scheduled to be selected until 2011.

Fox: “So one of the proposed changes is to start history class in the year 1877.”
The truth: Texas has and always will teach U.S. History from the beginning until present day. U.S. History through Reconstruction is taught in the eighth grade and those standards can be found in the middle school standards, which are called Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills (TEKS). Here is a link to the middle school standards: ritter.tea.state.tx.us... U.S. History since 1877 is taught in 11th grade.

Fox: Textbooks adopted in Texas will be used classrooms across the country.
The truth: Each state has its own textbook selection process. Publishers may offer other states the Texas edition of a book but they are not required to select it.

www.tea.state.tx.us...

Social Study Proposed Standards

Blame it on Texas

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