George W. Bush - History To Date

George W. Bush - Profile

I. Historical perspective of the Bush Family:

George W's grandfather Prescott Bush was among the chief American fundraisers for the Nazi Party in the 1930s and '40s.

The Bush Dynasty joined with the House of Saud in the 1970's in Houston, Texas, when George W. Bush was just starting out in his family's two businesses of politics and oil. The powerful - and very rich - bin Laden family helped fund his first venture into oil.

The cozy friendship continued for decades. After a terrorist attack at a barracks in Saudi Arabia which killed 19 Americans, the bin Laden family received a multi-billion dollar contract to re-build. And incredibly, George Bush Sr. was in a business meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington on the morning of September 11th with one of Osama Bin Laden's brothers.

Below is a timeline of alliances between the Saud-bin Laden and Bush families, Election 2000, the 9/11 Holocaust on American soil, and the Wars in the Middle East

1968-1973

George W. Bush joins the Texas Air National Guard, a coveted position that ensures he doesn�t have to serve in Vietnam where he established a record of refusing hundreds of times over a six year period to serve honorably along side American Military Heroes and Patriots against communism in Viet Nam.

In 1973, GHWBush then used political power as Texas royal family to obtain honorable discharge from the Texas National Guard for GWBush�s dishonorable service.

1976

George H. W. Bush becomes director of the CIA. During his tenure, Bush helps provide training for the Saud royal family�s palace guard, cementing a relationship that proves critical to the Bush family�s fortunes.

II. Neoconzi Autocracy Overthrow of American Democracy

1999

George W. Bush summoned before top party Neoconzis in Texas led by �Kenny Boy� Lay of Enron, and Dick Cheney who �Charlie McCarthyized� Bush�s run for the presidency.

2000

Bush inaugurates his Election 2000 campaign by attacking John McCain because McCain served Heroically and Patriotically in Viet Nam to defuse the fact that Bush refused to serve beside Heroes and Patriots in Viet Nam to kill communists.

2001

Bush elected to White House, bringing the Neoconzi chickenhawk cabal of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, Rice into the White House and Pentagon, where they immediately implemented their paramount cultural value of ignoring all information that is contrary to the Neoconzi Master Plan.

Bush and the cabal refused to heed the hundreds of warnings about imminent terrorism against the United States, including that of his father former president GHW Bush, and allowed the 9/11 Holocaust on American soil by his Saud-bin Laden Family ties.

2002

Bush invaded Afghanistan, which is the only correct act of his administration, but the Cheney-Halliburton-Saud-bin Laden anti-Saddam agenda diverted infinitely valuable resources away from exterminating Osama and al-Qaida that was Bush�s highest obligation after the 9/11 Holocaust.

President Bush visits with Chinese Communists to Upgrade Agreements to Accelerate the Exportation of American Jobs and Manufacturing to Chinese communist slave labor companies, as part of the Pioneer-Ranger agenda to �downsize� the wealth and political power of the American middle class, putting America�s trade deficit out of control.

2003

Bush-Cheney-Halliburton-Saud-bin Laden order the Iraq War, directed from the White House, which has now resulted in Viet Nam II.
2004
Escalating failures and omissions in Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz war planning rapidly undermine the efforts of America�s Military Heroes and Patriots risking and losing their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan, allowing Osama and the Saud-bin Laden al Qaida to rebuild and take the initiative away from Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz chickenhawks controlling the war.

Bush reverts back to attacking Viet Nam War Heroes and Patriots like John Kerry, to once again defuse the problem with his own anti-war military service during the Viet Nam war.

SOURCES ("Google" Searches):

�Bush Family and Hitler in WWII�
�Bush Family and Saud, bin Ladin Family Ties�
�Bush Anti-War Military Service Record�
�George W. Bush's Lies of Mass Destruction�
Etc.

With special thanks to Ann Coulter for recommending the "Treason" theme
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#1 AMERICAN PRIORITY

SUPPORT AMERICA'S MILITARY IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN 100%,

ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF BUSH'S CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE AND FAILED LEADERSHIP

Dude, your like a broken record.
Virtually each and every aspect that you have brought forth has been discussed within ATS, and not once, but on many different occasions....does the ATS 'search' feature work for you?

*shakes head*


seekerof

Sorry Seek, but you Neoconzis have overplayed your hand with Bush's criminal failures in war, in international relations, in economics, in humanity.

You've killed too many American Heroes and Patriots for your Cheney-Halliburton fascist cause, and your days are numbered.

The #1 overwhelming FACT is that America is no safer today than we were on 9/11.

How many more American Heroes and Patriots are you going to kill before you realize that:
Osama is America's Enemy #1
Bush is America's Enemy #2

Ok Neo-commie, err Orang. Once more you exagerate your statements, and bring nothing new except another rant from a radical theory conspiracy site, which you did not even acknowledged. But doing a google search of the following paragraph in your post:

"George W's grandfather Prescott Bush was among the chief American fundraisers for the Nazi Party in the 1930s and '40s."

Shows that you took at least that statement word for word and didn't give due credit, perhaps because it, like the other comments, come from a radical conspiracy theory site....

[Edited on 1-6-2004 by Muaddib]

But those are all valid points, even if they're a bit more coloful in this tread.
As Seek said, hit search, they're out there.

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TALK ABOUT RIDING A DEAD HORSE

Nice historical summary, orang, more Scandals here than any Mudpit can handle.

Don't let the turkeys get you down.

Seekerof replies to the information (with citations) - an abridged time-line history of the public/political activities of the Bush Family in the Unites States � with the retort, popularized by the Clinton Administration � a variation on the OLD NEWS argument with indirect and implied Ad Hominem�s

The argument never address�s the information presented but diverts attention form the facts and refocuses attention on the person of the poster through the implied ad hominem. And further implies the �matter presented has been settled� which is a fallacious presentation of �the blowhard argument� �No it�s not� again avoiding debate on material presented.

In fairness, it should be noted that presenter (orang) is attempting to prove that involvement in questionable activities, personal behaviors, and actions is familial, and argument based on another false premise � going from the particular to a general to form a major premise. One can not say - The sum of events presented equals the conclusion (Total). This argument fails because you can never be assured that you have included all the parts (sub-sets) to reach the total of a conclusion.

Aside and apart from the lack of logic, I�m not sure about the rest of you, but I�m getting sick to death of the SOS from both side����..I say GIVE IT A REST ot get some new and more challenging material soon because you are BORING THE REST OF US TO DEATH�����..if you catch my drift.

Have a nice day.

I think that it would be nice should one of the rehash masters such as Orang do a piece actually outlining the Bush family involvement with the Nazis instead of just claiming it.

That could go for anything posted (aside from the service issue, that's a dead horse too).

Maybe something more in depth than just a fancy "timeline". Wishful thinking I guess.

Originally posted by orang
Sorry Seek, but you Neoconzis have overplayed your hand with Bush's criminal failures in war, in international relations, in economics, in humanity.

You've killed too many American Heroes and Patriots for your Cheney-Halliburton fascist cause, and your days are numbered.

like al bore coulda done any better. we'd all be dead if he was elected. he bend to the terrorist faster than chamberlin did to hitler.

you seem to forget that our guys get killed in war. you must be one of those people who will only want to fight a war if none of our guys get killed. well heres a fact: THATS #ING IMPOSSIBLE! i need i remind you you people did alot worse in vietnam. back then it was 500-700+ a week not over the corse of a year. god i hope they write something that will keep liberals out of the decision making process during wartime.

I didn't even read it after the nazi bit - I'm sure it's your usual piece of trash...

Here's some links for you to peruse - you see, I, like others, use LINKS to support any and all arguments.

This one even bashes Bush (you see, ORNAG, you could have used this one for your argument - never mind, I did it FOR you), but tells it like it is with Kerry...
www.moderateindependent.com...


Here's another: From www.tinyvital.com...

Kerry Presidency Unconstitutional?
I am not a lawyer, but I wonder if the following clause from the Constitution's 14th Amendment applies to Kerry [note: emphasis added]

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

You see? If I wanted, I could go on here for ages bashing Kerry just as much as you do Bush. I'm not going to do that, however. I'll do the grown up thing. I'll look at the issues and decide for myself who I think will better lead our country through the next four years.

If you're gonna bash, do so intelligently, will ya?

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
actually outlining the Bush family involvement with the Nazis instead of just claiming it.

Been there & done that. If people would only search, I'd be famous!

An Excerpt & link:

My only desire is to let it be known that the Bush family shares no American ideal of inclusion or fair wage for a days work or "uniter" label - they were schooled at the heal of the old world ruling families and carry the same avarice, corruption and disdain for all unfortunate enough to not be born into their soci-economic level.

For further support of the true lineage of Fascist ties that the Bush family embraces, here's a link to a previous forum & some direct quotes from a research article posted there:

""Young George was in flight school in October 1942, when the U.S. government charged his father with running Nazi front groups in the United States. Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, all the shares of the Union Banking Corporation were seized, including those held by Prescott Bush as being in effect held for enemy nationals. Union Banking, of course, was an affiliate of Brown Brothers, Harriman, and Bush handled the Harrimans' investments as well.
"Once the government had its hands on Bush's books, the whole story of the intricate web of Nazi front corporations began to unravel. A few days later two of Union Banking's subsidiaries -- the Holland American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation -- also were seized. Then the government went after the Harriman Fifteen Holding Company, which Bush shared with his father- in-law, Bert Walker, the Hamburg-Amerika Line, and the Silesian- American Corporation. The U.S. government found that huge sections of Prescott Bush's empire had been operated on behalf of Nazi Germany and had greatly assisted the German war effort."


And this:

""It was Bush who fulfilled Nixon's promise to make the 'ethnic' emigres a permanent part of Republican politics. In 1972 Nixon's State Department spokesman confirmed to his Australian counterpart that the ethnic groups were very useful to get out the vote in several key states. Bush's tenure as head of the Republican National Committee exactly coincided with Laszlo Pasztor's 1972 drive to transform the Heritage Groups Council into the party's official ethnic arm. The groups Pasztor chose as Bush's campaign allies were the emigre Fascists whom Dulles had brought to the United States. . . .
". . . Nearly twenty years later, and after expose's in several respectable newspapers, Bush continued to recruit most of the same ethnic Fascists, including Pasztor, for his own 1988 ethnic outreach program when he first ran for president.
"According to our sources in the intelligence community," state the authors, "it was Bush who told Nixon that the Watergate investigations might start uncovering the Fascist skeletons in the Republican party's closet. Bush himself acknowledges that he wrote Nixon a letter asking him to step down. The day after Bush did so, Nixon resigned.
"Bush had hoped to become Gerald Ford's vice president upon Nixon's resignation, but he was appointed U.S. ambassador to the UN. Nelson Rockefeller became vice president and chief damage controller. He formed a special commission in an attempt to preempt the Senate's investigation of the intelligence community. The Rockefeller Commission into CIA abuses was filled with old OPC [Dulles's Office of Policy Coordination] hands like Ronald Reagan, who had been the front man back in the 1950s for the money-laundering organization, the Crusade for Freedom, which was part of Dulles's Fascist 'freedom fighters' program."
In 1988, Project Censored, a news media censorship research organization, awarded the honor of "Top Censored story" to the subject of George Bush. The article revealed "how the major mass media ignored, overlooked or undercovered at least ten critical stories reported in America's alternative press that raised serious questions about the Republican candidate, George Bush, dating from his reported role as a CIA 'asset' in 1963 to his Presidential campaign's connection with a network of anti-Semites with Nazi and fascist affiliations in 1988."

www.abovetopsecret.com...

again, I said a STORY - about GW's dad!

Let's suppose it's true, just for the halibut...

What bearing does that have on GW? Is he the elder Bush reincarnated? Hmmm...don't think so, especially since the elder is still alive.

You don't have this on Reagan? Heck, Bush was VP there. Did he do it then? Again, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SON?

Originally posted by Bout Time

Been there & done that. If people would only search, I'd be famous!

No no no no, I know you've done that (and I appreciate the refresher:up.

I was only saying that I hate the midnight plagerists and driveby flights of fancy.

You're cool BT. We know you take the time.

Originally posted by natas
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SON?
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I didn't even read it after the nazi bit - I'm sure it's your usual piece of trash...

That's a moving target & a shift form your original ignorance to the Bush family line being the Money Men to the Nazi war effort.....while our troops we're already in the field taking Nazi rounds.
Read futher into the materials provided, and you'll find the facts of several campaign officers to the GHW Bush campaign being jettisoned because of their Fascist past....no story there, just fact.

WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE SON? The occasional priest sibling did come out of the NY crime families, so in that narrow perspective, not much. Obviously, most took to the family business.

Take a read on this piece of research done by a Dr. of Political Science & tell me that we're not exhibiting these traits, under this president, NOW.

Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism.

The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need".

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated.

6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

And to head off the kne jerk reaction: Nazism was an extreme & radical form of fascism, as communism is an extreme & radical form of socialism.


KJ - thank you.

FIrst of all, I am in NO WAY "shifting" from my previous posts. If you will recall, I said for the sake of argument - WHAT IF?

the fourteen points your Dr. of Political science brings up are intriguing. Now, let mw ask you this: Were most of these points present during WW2, when we were FIGHTING the Nazis? I think you will find that they were. Any time our nation finds itself under conflict, the same steps get taken. Some personal freedoms are lost (remember Japanese detention camps for AMERICAN citizens of Japanese decent?), there is a sense of nationalism (us versus them), etc...

I'm not saying that all of them are right, but I refuse to accept the ludicrous accusations of which you speak. As much as your hatred of Bush has clouded your eyes, I can only hope that my repeated comments here begin to lift a shroud of hatred from you. There is NO WAY that our country will devolve into facism, much less chance of us becoming the next Nazi party.

Nationalism? Yes - I wish we had more of it.
Loss of some rights? Let's face facts - we still are one of the most free societies in the world, but some have been lost.
Supremacy of the Military? I don't think that has happened, do you? If anything, our military has been weakened by stretching it out. Even Democrats have called for a stronger military (see Hillary Clinton).

Not much more time to go on, but hopefully you see my point. Ignorance? Maybe I am ignorant of some things, but I WILL educate myself on them. Bush family ties to Naziism? Show me - I will read and make my own decisions. However, be sure to show me BOTH sides, for I will look for both.

OFF TOPIC: Nats an avatar is the embodiment of oneself. I don't want to pick up the easy snaps, but your avatar is a turd of shiit! Come on man, you're killing me!! Go to BTS, there are members that will hook you up with a great one.

On Thread

Political systems appear in absolute terms on paper & nowhere else. IF you care to look, I've often corrected people who've call Bush & Team Nazis; they're far from it. I've said they're Mussolini style Fascist, though Franco style is also applicable. BIG DIF.
Any political sysem that evolves today is, well, evolved off of the advances in the world that have mutated how those systems are applied in real time.
No, hose 14 points were not prevalent in WWII; we had confronted the American Fascist party prior and FDR was ever vigilent: FDR definition that I refer:
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. What, in its essence, is Fascism, but ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any controlling private power."


What more proof do you need than historical record? Bert Wlaker & prescott Bush were prosecuted under the trading with the enemy act, their assests seized and the broad base of compaines under their control involved in aiding Nazi Germany were exposed.

Nationalism: Support for the cause offer by the leader is not support for the benefit of the country or it's people. Jingoism is where you're coming from.

Supremecy of the Military: Rank & file? No. The institution? Yes. Military spending is one of thre things propping up our economy. Add to that the fact of Posse Comitatus has been thrown away, and we're kind of fooked.

You mistake the people yelling down this Administration & it's horrible choices as not being truely patriotic, veterans, business owners, parents ....we're all of that, just a bit more expereinced & wiser because of the experience.

Funny how so many read the truth about Bush, even admit it's true yet still support him. I guess it was the same with Hitler thou..

Originally posted by Bout Time
You mistake the people yelling down this Administration & it's horrible choices as not being truely patriotic, veterans, business owners, parents ....we're all of that, just a bit more expereinced & wiser because of the experience.

I've been singing this since the day the jingopulicans came out of the woodwork trying to shout down the detractors with the "Unpatriotic" bull#.

Mind you, me and BT are about as opposite as a Republican and the Colonel, but when he's right, he's right.

Natas, I'd be a bit more open to BT, because while I disagree with him often, he's nothing if not thorough

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia.

Present in the US in WW2, as in almost every conflict.


2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need".

Again, present in WW2 (or did FDR not know about the detention camps?)

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Uh, Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito...


4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

"SUPPORT THE WAR EFFORT"

5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated.

hmm... no women of note in the WW2 regime...


6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.

War time propaganda shorts, played before movies...
by the way, this is impossible now because of modern advanced in satellite technology, Internet, and other things


7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Lots of this going on during ww2

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders.

Don't seem to remember this in WW2 OR today, except for a few things that both Bush and FDR said about God...


9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Who made all of the Airplanes during WW2? Did they make any money?


10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.

Improve morale for the war effort! Everyone sacrifice for the good of all! By the way, have we lost any unions today? I don't think so...


11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia.

I don't see No Child Left Behind as an attempt to HINDER education - it's not great, but it's not there to HINDER...


12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism.

I may give you this one - only because I do not recall hearing about police abuses during WW2. I'm sure more things were allowed, however, because of the fact we were at war...


13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

corruption? Under FDR? I invite you to read these...

www.mises.org...

and

www.igeek.com...

a quote from FDR, if I may... "financial gains should apply to members of a politician family as well as the politician himself"


14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

here we go again - OMG - Bush stole the election! Bush stole the election! Sorry, I don't buy it - never have, never will.

Jethro - BT may be thorough, but so am I. I think I'll continue proving my point.

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