Abrahamic religions! Holy Land! Of God? Rant!, page 1
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Topic started on 15-3-2010 @ 05:55 PM by LeoVirgo
OK....Im just so tired and weary of our human ways. People thinking God wants a Earthly land or desires a certain group to be in control of it is plain ignorance in my eyes.

I have yo yo'ed back and forth with feelings of who has the rights to the 'Holy' Land and I am concluding that the WORLD has rights to the land.

If any religion claims a land to be Holy....and claims then that a certain group has more rights to it then others....the world should do everything in their powers to not allow such a group to claim ownership of such a place.

God is not concerned about a Earthly land...the Temple God and Jesus both taught of is a Temple not of this world.

Any of you that is awaiting the third Earthly temple to be built...SHAME ON YOU for not living for things of spirit! You are living for things of flesh and of Earth. Shame on any of you for dragging God into such a mess!!!!

Shame on man for tainting the desires of God...such as preaching that God desires things of Earth.

I say that there should be no Abrahamic faith in ownership of Israel. I am finding it very plausible to wipe it off of the maps. I dont want my children growing up in such a mess and me and my children have just as much rights here as any of you do.

Your tainting the human race with your separation, your allowing children to believe that God is concerned with a Earthly land. Shame on you!

The only thing all of you religious people are doing is helping the powers find reasons to bring in a NWO! What choice do you leave for the powers to do with all the fighting and war?

How is it that religions are some of the least respecting people when it comes to allowing everyone to worship God in their own way.

Christian might say...well we arent fighting...dont bring us into this....we are a peaceful group. Im sorry to say....your the ones that teach the children a man had to die and that it was Gods will for it to be so. You have made a human God! You might not be fighting physically but your book supports that God desires a Earthly land.

Dont be fooled! Just because you see 'signs' of the 3rd Temple being built DOES NOT MEAN GOD SUPPORTS SUCH EARTHLY WAYS! You are following mans lust for things of Earth!

Lay down your Earthly desires...cast them up upon your crosses that you must carry just as Jesus carried his. Walk in the path of humbleness and start to live for your life of spirit. There is still time before these religions try to bring down our world and species.

If God is concerned with anything of Earth....then let God be the one to claim it! Do you really think God needs man to do this for Thee?????

But I tell you truly...God is not concerned with anything that separates Thee's children. There is no peace in this path.

Stop following man! Follow your hearts for ONCE....God gave you your hearts and minds for a reason! All of the Abrahamics religions say the respect other beliefs. They are liars!

I feel that a NWO is the only way to stop such madness. You all brought it on yourselves by listening to man instead of God. And NO...God did not leave you a material book....Gods book is life, the only place where the Spirit can be, within things of life. A book does not hold life...no matter how you try to convince yourself of this....a book can be destroyed and changed. Do not save up things that can rust and be destroyed...save up things that can be of use in Heaven.

So this is my rant....but I find it no happenstance that I live in the times of today.

The idea that God gave a special land to a certain people is so against God its nothing but shame.

Wake up people, stop following mans ways and cons of desires of Earthly things! You are inviting nothing but ugliness to our world.

Im in AWE over how many people of good nature supports God needing a Earthly land.

Flame me...I dont care.

Yes I am judging....sure am. I expect fellow humans to be more then animals.

I cant believe people believe God wants a chosen land or desired a chosen people.

Shame on the ones fighting over Israel in the name of God.

Dont bother casting stones at me for God....Thee knows I was going to write this thread eventually. If anything, Im only sticking up for things God believes in which is unity and peace. Can you walk the walk as Jesus did...and not fight for things of Earth?

I still hold hope...by a string...that there are humans that hold the light within. I just hope they out number the ones that are causing heartache in heaven.

If you are one of those that believe God desires a special land on Earth...you have been fooled by man.

You will reap what you sow...and those are some nasty seeds that I would not care to reap of personally.


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 06:21 PM by Abbby
reply to post by LeoVirgo



Oooooo! I like what you say here! No flame, but I will give you a S&F!!

I always wondered why Israel was claimed as the "promised" land....there's nothing great about it, no paradise....has pros and cons just like anywhere else.
And what kind of God would encourage man to worship land anyway? Or be a "jealous" God? Or let it be known that he choses favorites amoung his children?! Sounds like that God has some serious issues he needs to deal with...I thought God was supposed to be "perfect", not have a problem with his self esteem.



reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 06:24 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU



Hello YeHUaH!

Can the Promised Land (if there is such a thing) not be ALL LANDS?

Could it not be that the people themselves must make it a land of peace before God can dwell there with the people. If the people are a peaceful people welcoming all likes of people to the land...then wouldnt that show God was within those people...then wouldnt that make it a true story that 'God dwelled in the land with the people?'

America huh?

I do have faith is some of the scriptures written by man...but I feel most of what I find spiritual meaning of seems to be hidden in allegory.

Like the land of milk and honey...

Just so many know, I am very strong in my faith...but lived a life of the Abrahamic religion and I only really found God when I put that religion behind me.

I have been watching videos today about Israel...and the awful things going on there...which probably fueled my fire for this thread.

There is nothing that makes me more sad...then to think we are disappointing our maker.

I say 'we' because that is what we are. We are a unit, a species, what one person does reflects another.

I feel like the heavens are weeping.


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 06:27 PM by GBP/JPY
reply to post by LeoVirgo



no, it is written....we read about the land there all the time, and it was written that jerusalem would be in the news as a sorespot, something like that....


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 06:31 PM by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU
reply to post by LeoVirgo



I like your outlook and perspectives on things, you've got an 'angle' as they say(!),
Thanks for sharing!

I can get so dang serious an' need to let up!


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 06:33 PM by LeoVirgo
Originally posted by Abbby
reply to
post by LeoVirgo



Oooooo! I like what you say here! No flame, but I will give you a S&F!!

I always wondered why Israel was claimed as the "promised" land....there's nothing great about it, no paradise....has pros and cons just like anywhere else.
And what kind of God would encourage man to worship land anyway? Or be a "jealous" God? Or let it be known that he choses favorites amoung his children?! Sounds like that God has some serious issues he needs to deal with...I thought God was supposed to be "perfect", not have a problem with his self esteem.


Hello Abbby with 3 b's

What is important for others to know is that when seeking God without the preconceived beliefs by man....many people find the same spiritual understandings. Unlike the books causing much conflict.

And yes...God is not jealous. Thee is perfect in every way. God understands our shortcomings and knew we would test everything under the sun in our beliefs and faith.


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 06:36 PM by Illusionsaregrander
Originally posted by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU
I see much more, Jerusalem is 'the place which the LORD GOD did choose to establish
His Name there' (which we as Israel were to seek to) that it would be Capitol of the Earth


Says who? No offense, but virtually ever group of people have said that they are their Gods chosen people and their land is the special land. What makes the Abrahamic religions unique is that they have sold that idea of their land being the holy land to a LOT of other people.

When specific groups of humans promote themselves and their land as sacred to their God, one has to be a little suspicious that they may be a little biased. God himself did not write the Bible. And if there is only ONE God, he has been whispering in a lot of peoples ears telling them that they are his chosen people. Not only the Israelites. So, either people are lying, or God is lying, or all people and lands matter to God.

Originally posted by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU
and ultimately a City of GOD 'made without hands' New Jerusalem would descend
to crown her Capitol of the Universe that life would from here circumnavigate the Heavens!


When a city miraculously appears from the heavens descends from the sky and hovers above Jerusalem, I will retract everything I said, and acknowledge that region and its people as being specially chosen by God.

For those of you who may say, "It will be too late for your soul then, if you dont believe now," I can accept that. If the fate of my soul hinges upon my believing verbatim a book written and re-written by self interested peoples, then I may very well be going to hell. Because I dont accept the book as the absolute truth, word for word. I think it has a lot of truth in it, but it isnt all pure.



reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 06:44 PM by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander



Ye'HaUaH ('He-becoming,happening,proving to Be')

YeShUaA
Ha'NeTzaRI
U'MeLeCh
Ha'YeHUDIM

IESUS
NAZARENUS
REX
IUDAEORUM


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 06:48 PM by yodagod
reply to post by LeoVirgo





Shame on man for tainting the desires of God...such as preaching that God desires things of Earth.


Shame on you for claiming that an entity that created "everything" could somehow possibly need something .


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 06:50 PM by yodagod
reply to post by LeoVirgo





And yes...God is not jealous.


How do you know ? Did he tell you ?


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 06:53 PM by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU
reply to post by yodagod



No "GOD" is Zealous!
The Hebrew is where it's at!

Hebrew is the language and icon-symbols of the terms we are endearing,
translating ancient inscriptions worldwide and refounding the etymons of a world of words
it is 'the grand central station' of communication for uniting all in the dialogue of Peace
while having the plan fully demonstrated for comprehension of the inevitable outcome
being the nature of things.

[edit on 2010/3/15 by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU]


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 06:57 PM by LeoVirgo
Originally posted by yodagod
reply to
post by LeoVirgo





Shame on man for tainting the desires of God...such as preaching that God desires things of Earth.


Shame on you for claiming that an entity that created "everything" could somehow possibly need something .


A desire and a need is different things.

I never said God 'needed' anything. But desires us to know Thee..yes. Then shame on me. Sure...Ill take that walk of shame.

Seek the true spirit...and see if it brings joy to the heavens.

Have you ever felt heaven smile onto you, within you, all around you? Im only going by experience of what seems to please the Holy Spirit.


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 07:00 PM by LeoVirgo
Originally posted by yodagod
reply to
post by LeoVirgo





And yes...God is not jealous.


How do you know ? Did he tell you ?


Just go to Thee..seek Thee...mabey do some fasting and cleansing of yourself before doing so....and ask Thee.

In a round about way...yeah. It wasnt so much of a 'telling' but a 'showing'.

Its not in Thee's nature....Thee is not like us.

If I didnt feel that all humans can experience this for themselves, I would not talk the talks I do.



reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 07:00 PM by yodagod
Originally posted by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU
reply to
post by yodagod



No "GOD" is Zealous!
The Hebrew is where it's at!


That's the reason he doesn't have a problem with any of the other gods then, the Hebrews placed a J where the Z should be. Bit inconvenient for all those poor buggers tortured and killed because of his jealousy. Mistakes happen I suppose shame it's had to take till the 21st century to clear that one up.


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 07:04 PM by yodagod
reply to post by LeoVirgo





Just go to Thee..seek Thee...mabey do some fasting and cleansing of yourself before doing so....and ask Thee. In a round about way...yeah. It wasnt so much of a 'telling' but a 'showing'. Its not in Thee's nature....Thee is not like us. If I didnt feel that all humans can experience this for themselves, I would not talk the talks I do.


Dude get a grip and grow up, this is a conspiracy site not the bloody salem witch hunt give it up on the thee and yeahs will you, thou needs a foot up thine arse for acting like a dork.


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 07:05 PM by LeoVirgo
Originally posted by yodagod
Originally posted by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU
reply to
post by yodagod



No "GOD" is Zealous!
The Hebrew is where it's at!


That's the reason he doesn't have a problem with any of the other gods then, the Hebrews placed a J where the Z should be. Bit inconvenient for all those poor buggers tortured and killed because of his jealousy. Mistakes happen I suppose shame it's had to take till the 21st century to clear that one up.


How do you know God has a name at all? Did Thee tell you?

Before human existence, before the creation of languages....do you really think God had a name?


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 07:07 PM by yodagod
reply to post by LeoVirgo





A desire and a need is different things. I never said God 'needed' anything. But desires us to know Thee..yes. Then shame on me. Sure...Ill take that walk of shame.


So how is it possible for that which created everything not to get what it wants ?
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