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Topic started on 1-6-2004 @ 03:12 PM by Muaddib
After all the talks with Chinese officials, it has always been clear that China's actions have always contradicted their claim of wanting a peaceful reunification with Taiwan. A new Pentagon analysis states that China may be modifying its tactics for military action over Taiwan.

Study: China readying for conflict
Communist leaders in Beijing have long talked of a "peaceful reunification" with Taiwan, but military preparations seem to contradict that talk, according to a Pentagon analysis.

China's "determined focus on preparing for conflict in the Taiwan Strait -- to include accelerated deployments of short-range ballistic missiles opposite Taiwan -- casts a cloud over Beijing's declared policy," the U.S. Defense Department has said.

Once in a while Chinese officials have been bold enough to state that there will be a conflict with the United States, and that the Chinese prefer to take this conflict to us and do it sooner rather than later. They have claimed that they will do anything to stop the independance of Taiwan.

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[Edited on 1-6-2004 by Nerdling]


reply posted on 1-6-2004 @ 09:20 PM by mbkennel
They install secret agent provacateurs who will call loudly for independence and start demonstrations.

China does a first-strike with small neutron bombs against Taiwanese military targets, and one against the Taipei international airport. Civilian casualties are about 1500, less than US did in Iraq and Afghanistan, as China points out.

The Taiwanese navy and airforce is devastated---planes have nowhere to land. Airfields are too radioactive to rebuild. Naval ships have nowhere to supply. China has total air superiority from the mainland, and protecting their invasion convoys.

The US is too far away to do much. Their long range aircraft cannot take out the massive Chinese fighter fleet, with new SU-30MKK's and more advanced weapons, new Russian air-to-air missiles better than the AMRAAM. The USA doesn't have enough F-22s in service sufficiently close to help. Okinawa is far away, and all aerial refueling tankers are far too vulnerable to the Chinese fighters, which can take off and land from shore.

China informs US that their attack submarines deployed en masse are equipped only with nuclear torpedoes and ship-ship missiles for attack and defense. They have no conventional option. USA will not risk obliteration of a carrier battle group (10,000 sailors) and doesn't get close enough to help Taiwan.

Taiwan is given 24 hours to surrender. They do. Chinese army marches on shore unopposed. Taiwanese Parliament is executed. China promises low-taxation zone for 10 years. Taiwanese businessmen itch to get back to making money. French itch to get back to selling weapons to Chinese, and veto U.N. sanctions.


reply posted on 2-6-2004 @ 09:11 PM by devmim
Originally posted by Muaddib
Originally posted by devmim

China loves peace, but US loves war. The Chinese people do want the "peaceful reunification", but US don't want.

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by devmim]


Huh....did you say China wants peace?............

" Speaking at the PLA's Military Command College in December 1999, Defense Minister Chi Haotian painted a stark picture of Communist China's future relations with the United States. "Seen from the changes in the world situation and the United States' hegemonic strategy for creating monopolarity, war is inevitable," Chi said. "We cannot avoid it. The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative of this war." Accordingly, he announced an increase in the PRC defense budget and noted that fully 52 percent of the budget through the year 2003 would be targeted on retaking Taiwan.

Excerpted from.
www.insightmag.com...

And that's not the first time China has hinted at......what did you call it?.....peace?.........

BTW did you ever hear about Tiananmen square?........yeah...China loves peace....that's right............




Hi, Muaddib, thanks for your reply. As for the above excerption as well as the Tiananmen square, I have already learned them somehow before.

For one thing, I want to emphasize the fact that the China has always attached much more weights to the peaceful reunification than the military reunification. In an effort to realize real peace, the China has proposed the policy of ¡°One China with Two Systems¡± to Taiwan, in which Taiwan can have its own capitalism with its own military force, independent revenue, interior and etc. So far China has shown its maximal sincerity for Taiwan as well as the whole world. Secondly, the Taiwan has been rejecting the mainland's sincerity and some Taiwanese have openly promoted the separation of Taiwan from mainland mainly because of the US supports openly and stealthily. Therefore, I firmly believe that what the Chinese Defense Minister Chi Haotian has said is absolutely right, and I completely support him! BTW, the US have just deployed six of the B-52 in island Guam and one aircraft carrier in Yokosuka, Japan, and reinforced the American military force in Okinawa, Japan. All these American actions are to prepare the war with China. China has no other choice than the preparation mainly for the war with US.

And that's not the first time the American presidents have menaced China with military force and forced China to give up his unification. ......what did you call it?.....peace?.........

As for the Tiananmen square, this is our own interior thing not to do with the peace, and you didn't talk to the point or beyond the thread. However, I'd like to say something about it. I admit that the event of the Tiananmen square is wrong for Chinese government to some extent, but in a way it is also right. Perhaps, only the history can give the just conclusion. Today, the democracy is come to Chinese more and more close although there still exist some limitations in China. The Chinese democracy can only be realized by Chinese themselves and can not be dependent on any other countries, especially on US because of its being a rat-face.
What I have said is not to despise the American democracy. I have been appreciating the American democracy of its individuals greatly, but the US as a whole country is gruesome.


[Edited on 2-6-2004 by devmim]

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by devmim]


reply posted on 2-6-2004 @ 11:28 PM by Muaddib
Originally posted by devmim

For one thing, I want to emphasize the fact that the China has always attached much more weights to the peaceful reunification than the military reunification.
And that's not the first time the American presidents have menaced China with military force and forced China to give up his unification. ......what did you call it?.....peace?.........

As for the Tiananmen square, this is our own interior thing not to do with the peace, and you didn't talk to the point or beyond the thread. However, I'd like to say something about it. I admit that the event of the Tiananmen square is wrong for Chinese government to some extent, but in a way it is also right. I have been appreciating the American democracy of its individuals greatly, but the US as a whole country is gruesome.


You are totally wrong....Tiananmen Square was not right in any way...not at all....those people were not even armed, and it shows the way that the Chinese government resolves what you call "peace."

The Chinese government said there were 300 deaths, but the body count was much higher. Amnesty International said the toll was 1,000 deaths, and other western estimates puts the count higher. None of these people had a gun to defend themselves or to have the Chinese government order their police to open fire on these people.

Another thing, the US has never openly said that a war with China is inevitable, it has been the Chinese government's decision to state in public, several times, that a war with the US is inevitable either way, and it has always been China who starts "military exercises" close enough to Taiwan to try to submit the Taiwanese people with a show of force.

If it was only a small portion of the Taiwanese people that wanted this then I would understand why China wouldn't want the independance of Taiwan, but all or most Taiwanese want this independance, there is only a 10% of 23 million people consider themselves Chinese. I am sure they do not want to see another "Tainanmen Square" in Taiwan if the people ever have to peacefully protest against the Chinese government.

You can find some information in this site.
What Taiwan wants

" Taiwanese hope that even yesterday's small opening will stabilise their problematic relationship with China. They also hope it will put a damper on the booming illicit trade in seafood, produce and consumer goods between the islands and the mainland, so that legitimate business and investment take over. "

Excerpted from.
www.guardian.co.uk...

BTW, i was born in a communist country, and lived under communism until I was 8 years old. I remember what being under communism means, how the regime controls the media and the people completely. Any sign of disagreement with any communist/true socialist regime means either torture and jail or death.

And you want to name the US as a gruesome country.....you have really got to be kidding... Any communist country is evil incarnate, and I am not religious. If evil really exists its manifestation is communism/socialism.

Your so beloved government has killed since 1900-1987 35,236,000 people. That's over 35 million of your own people, and that's only what we know....

Do not even think you can lie here about which government is gruesome. Communism should not exist at all, in a way communists share what the radical Islamists want. Either the total submission of the west and the world being communist, or the destruction of the west. The difference with radical Islam is that the terrorists want Islam to dominate the world or the destruction of the west.


[Edited on 2-6-2004 by Muaddib]
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