Why would a god allow so much pain and suffering?, page 1

reply to post by Maddogkull

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God doesn't cause the suffering, we humans do.

To be honest, I suspect that there exists such god as you are referring to. But that doesn't affect the truth value of the first line of this post.

-v

reply to post by Maddogkull

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Well, we do create emotional and mental pain, but also physical - wars, famine, violence and so on. But yeah, I get your drift.

I am thinking and hastily I can come up with ten reasons. It is either because of:

1) We are stupid animals, that cannot control - or even understand the forces of nature - so we live in the areas that are dangerous to live in. We are idiotically emotianally attached to our home areas or are otherwise incapable of leaving the area - again our fault.

2) God doesn't care about us, we are irrelevant and only in our hybris we do think that we are something special.

3) God's psychological shadow, i.e Satan creates the suffering. But as explained in Bible, God is perfectly capable of destroying humans wihtout help of Satan.

4) We are paying our collective Karma everytime that natural disaster hits a place.

5) There is no God and we are again paying the consequences of our own stupidity.

6) God is actually evil, but he has succesfully lied to us so that we believe him to be good. It wouldn't be first time he would play safe with treachery.

7) God decides to punish a place and it's inhabitants for their sins, just as he did with Sodoma and Gomorrah.

8) We don't understand God, in other words, his ways are unknown to us.

9) As above poster said, God tests us and strenghten our character through suffering.

10) God thinks that there are too many people and hence needs to be reduced (that one must be the favourite choice of this guy, should he believe in god *smirk*).

I dunno, there may be many other reasons but I lack the wit to invent more of them. Personally, I still stick with the "human responsibility" opinion, and don't contribute the suffering to God.

-v

reply to post by Maddogkull

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Assuming we have a soul. What is a relatively short period of suffering compared against an eternity?

reply to post by Donnie Darko

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Your putting God in a box man - can't do that. Thats the equivalent of saying "Oh, well, can God create a burrito so hot that He couldn't eat it?". He could create one so hot YOU couldn't eat it but as humans we can't even begin to understand his knowledge and understanding.

Paradoxes can't be solved because it is simply a lying statement about itself, i.e. "I always lie" - well you may 99% of the time but in this example you told the truth so that renders what you said inaccurate.

You want to know the thing God can't do? Sin. He could if He truly wanted to, its just He is so repulsed by it He could never bring Himself to do it because it would be against His perfect and holy nature

God could prevent all pain and suffering, and in time He will, but he also respects our free-will so we need to stop blaming the problems WE'RE causing on Him.

reply to post by ShadowArcher

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Originally posted by ShadowArcher
Unless God has an ATS account, I suspect no satisfactory answer will come.

What you mean by "unless"? Of course God has an ATS account - everything is God´s creation, even ATS and all the emotional suffering it brings about



Virtually, at least.

-v

reply to post by SlapBassist531

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So, killing people isn't a sin? I mean, your god drowned pretty many people on the great flood and by raining fire and brimstone upon Sodoma and Gomorrah.

Yet he gave Moses (or who ever that was) ten commandments, where he categorizes killing as a sin.

But I know, his ways are unknown to us, and maybe even his standards for sin are distinct than those he set upon us.

-v

PS. And to add: Well, above can be argued in the way that "God didn't kill people, the flood did (which of course was called upon same God)." and "God didn't kill people of Sodoma and Gomorrah, the falling burning brimstone did (which he called upon)."

Isn't it same as the murderer would throw out his weapon and claim: "I didn't kill him, the gun did!"? Where of course the gun didn't kill that man, but the lethal wounds inflict by the bullets, to be presice.

[edit on 15-3-2010 by v01i0]

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