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Yahoo tells you how to spot air marshals.

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posted on Jun, 1 2004 @ 09:26 PM
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I fly fairly regularly, I don't see why anyone thinks the air marshals are any better than plane clothed cops anywhere. The thing that will stop terrorists from hijacking the plane is the passengers willingness to stop it. Every plane I have ever been on is majority male. I do not think people will sit idely by while the plane is driven into a building. Lets be practical here, if you know your going to die if you don't do something to stop the terrorists there is little incentive to stay in your seat (unless you think your going to heaven and are looking forward to it). The whole thing about waiting on some law enforcement guy to materilize to save my a$$ went out the window a long time ago. If a plane is hijacked that I am on, I figure I'm gonna die- I will take one of the bastards with me. If a marshal is one the plane thats one less tango for him to worry about.

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posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 03:19 PM
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Why not have them in full uniform, and have more than just two, enough for them to watch eachother's back.

If the terrorist sees them boarding the plane their about to hijack, chances are, he wont get on. If he sees them mid flight, chances are he's just going to remain quiet. You might say, well he's just gonna run away. WTF is he gonna run too, you are 18 thousand feet above ground.

Okay, then you are gonna say, well, thats not catching terrorists, thats just stopping them. Well, have you ever been on a train where the train officer comes down and checks you ticket? Well, why not have something like that on planes. Instead of a ticket, he could be checking your ID., running it throught a world data base, and seeing if it matches up. Of course, it would take forever to set up a world database, and would take a long time going through all the ID's on a plane, so it would only be done on longer flights. Besides, those are the one that have the most fuel, and would be most destructive.

I think I have rambled on enough for now, these are just some of my ideas.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 03:23 PM
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Very intresting story, I wanted people to be aware , that there might be a spy bot on the very first link to the story, it set my bot finder off.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 03:31 PM
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Here is the article, if the link is not working.


Flight watchmen: Air marshals look to lower their profiles
By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar
Los Angeles TimesWASHINGTON — As they settled into first class on American Airlines Flight 1438 from Chicago to Miami, they were supposed to be the last line of defense against terrorists — two highly trained U.S. air marshals who would sit unnoticed among the ordinary travelers but spring into action at the first sign of trouble.
Imagine their chagrin when a fellow passenger coming down the aisle suddenly boomed out, "Oh, I see we have air marshals on board!"
The incident, detailed in an intelligence brief, is an example of something that happens all too often, marshals say. The element of surprise may be crucial to their mission, but it turns out they're "as easy to identify as a uniformed police officer," the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association said in a complaint to Congress.
The problem is not security leaks. It's the clothes.
In an era when "dressing down" is the traveler's creed, air marshals must show up in jackets and ties, hair cut short, bodies buffed, shoes shined.
Boarding procedures also make them conspicuous. Since they're armed, the marshals can't go through the initial security screening with the rest of the passengers. Instead, using the entry points set aside for airport employees, the marshals often must go through the "exit" lanes — marching against the flow of arriving passengers, at times in full view of travelers.
"They lose the advantage" of being undercover, said John Amat, a spokesman for the marshals within the federal law-officers group.
Officials with the Federal Air Marshal Service, however, defended their sartorial standards.
"Professional demeanor, attire and attitude gain respect," spokesman David Adams said. "If a guy pulls out a gun, and he's got a tattoo on his arm and (is wearing) shorts, I'm going to question whether he's a law-enforcement officer."
As for the boarding procedures, Adams said, the agency is working to address the problems.
The air-marshal service has grown from about 30 officers at the time of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to several thousand today, operating under a $600 million annual budget.




Secret Service's influence
With the expansion has come an infusion of federal law-enforcement culture. The director of the air marshals, Thomas Quinn, who took over in January 2002, spent 20 years with the Secret Service.
"Secret Service people are notoriously known for being snappy dressers," said Capt. Steve Luckey, security chairman for the Air Line Pilots Association.
It was after Quinn took over, marshals said, that the strict rules on dress and grooming were instituted, including a ban on beards, long hair and jeans.
But today's airliner is a come-as-you-are environment. Even "if you go in first class, you see the whole gamut," Luckey said, from people in cut-off jeans to those in suit and tie. "I think you can go overboard with the professionalism. ... The mission dictates flexibility and some relaxed dress standards."
Many marshals interviewed — who requested anonymity because they are not allowed to talk to the media — agree.
What makes them uneasy is the prospect of being spotted by terrorists and disabled or killed before they can react.
"This is what I foresee," said one marshal, a two-year veteran. "Two of us get on the plane and we've been under surveillance the whole time. There's a minimum of four bad guys. ... My partner goes to the bathroom and they come after me with a sharp pen, stab me in the neck or in the brain and take my weapon," he continued. "When my partner comes out, they shoot him. Then they've got 80 rounds of ammunition and two weapons."
Adams called such a scenario "highly unlikely."
Yet a congressional General Accounting Office study of a two-year period from 2001 to 2003 found an average of about one case a week in which marshals reported their cover was blown.
The passenger on American Flight 1438 told the marshals "he picked them out because of their attire and the fact that they were on board before the other passengers," an agency report on the Nov. 15, 2003, incident said. The report did not say whether the government took action against the man, although others who have outed air marshals have been prosecuted.
Eliminating "unknown element"
One marshal with previous military and law-enforcement experience said that "a bad guy on a plane can quickly narrow the pool of potential marshals. They're not wearing jeans, they're not wearing cargo pants. ... There will not be an air marshal who is unshaven. You eliminate the unknown element."
Additional clues to their identity can be gleaned by observing airport check-in and boarding, several marshals said.
At the ticket counter, marshals must present an official leather credential case that is much bigger than a driver's license and looks different from a passport. "You can stand 20 feet away from the ticket counter and see it," said the marshal with military experience. Ticket agents sometimes hold it up to the light to study the hologram on the picture, he added.
After they get their tickets, marshals go to the boarding gate. At their home airports, they can use a special access card to bypass the security checkpoint. But at other airports, they must go through the passenger exit lane.
"Everybody sees you standing there," one marshal said. "Everybody sees you show your ID. They see you are being escorted through an exit lane, bypassing security."
At the boarding gate, the marshals must again show their credentials to the airline agent. Then, because marshals have to brief flight crews in person, at least one team member has to board before the other passengers. That often takes place in full view.
"You see physically fit men in their mid-30s getting on an airplane early, and you know they're not doing that because they need more time to get down the jet way," said Patricia Friend, president of the Association of Flight Attendants.
Prospects for change
The marshals have petitioned Congress for help in changing the rules. Several lawmakers are following up. Among them is Sen. Herbert Kohl, D-Wis., who talked with Quinn about the boarding procedures. Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., has asked the General Accounting Office to take another in-depth look at the agency. DeFazio is the ranking Democrat on the House aviation subcommittee.
Changes would largely be a matter of administrative action, but congressional pressure could force the issue.
In the meantime, some air marshals have found ways to adapt. The marshal with military experience said he deliberately acts as the more visible member of his team. He walks down the jet way before the passengers. If someone stares at him, he stares back. By becoming the focus of attention, he figures he's helping protect his partner's anonymity.
"If they come after me first, he might be able to save my bacon," the marshal said. "At least one guy may be able to do something to defend the aircraft."
Copyright © 2004 The Seattle Times Company



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