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Topic started on 14-3-2010 @ 04:38 PM by Grey Magic

3 people associated with U.S. consulate killed in Mexico


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(CNN) -- Three people connected to the U.S. consulate in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, were killed in two drive-by shootings, a senior White House official told CNN Sunday.

Two of the victims were an American employee at the consulate and her U.S. citizen husband. The husband of a Mexican employee of the consulate was also killed. The shootings happened Saturday afternoon, the official said.
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reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 06:43 PM by sdcigarpig
This is a problem on different levels. The first is that with the mexican police you have a 50/50 chance that they are corrupt and accept bribes. What this does is that it allows for the cartels to move and opperate with out fear of reprisal, but tend to look the other way as they drug cartels operate with the mentality that if one is taken out, then they go out for blood, and seek to do as much damage to the police and their families. Another part is that weapons from the US that finds its way down south that is used to supply the drug cartels, and the drugs that flow up north, only to have the cash and weapons flow south. If you want to stop the problem then the federal government needs to get agressive to the point of rabid on stopping the flow from both sides. Another problem is that the US put constraints on the board patrol, where they can not effectively do their job. If a mexican national commits a crime that would result in the death penality, if he makes it back to Mexico, he will not be deported unless there is guarantees that he will not have to face the death penalty. What I would do is first, take the kid gloves off and be agressive in stopping the flow of drugs, weapons and cash from going across the boarder. Then, as unpopular as it is, I would support extrodinary rendition against those who do commit crimes against the citizens of the United states and tell the Mexican government, they don't want their citizens put to death in this country, then they need to tell their citizens not to break the laws that would warrent such. Most of the time the Mexican government gets too involved in the politics of the US and need to be told to stay out of it.


reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 06:43 PM by sdcigarpig
This is a problem on different levels. The first is that with the mexican police you have a 50/50 chance that they are corrupt and accept bribes. What this does is that it allows for the cartels to move and opperate with out fear of reprisal, but tend to look the other way as they drug cartels operate with the mentality that if one is taken out, then they go out for blood, and seek to do as much damage to the police and their families. Another part is that weapons from the US that finds its way down south that is used to supply the drug cartels, and the drugs that flow up north, only to have the cash and weapons flow south. If you want to stop the problem then the federal government needs to get agressive to the point of rabid on stopping the flow from both sides. Another problem is that the US put constraints on the board patrol, where they can not effectively do their job. If a mexican national commits a crime that would result in the death penality, if he makes it back to Mexico, he will not be deported unless there is guarantees that he will not have to face the death penalty. What I would do is first, take the kid gloves off and be agressive in stopping the flow of drugs, weapons and cash from going across the boarder. Then, as unpopular as it is, I would support extrodinary rendition against those who do commit crimes against the citizens of the United states and tell the Mexican government, they don't want their citizens put to death in this country, then they need to tell their citizens not to break the laws that would warrent such. Most of the time the Mexican government gets too involved in the politics of the US and need to be told to stay out of it.


reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 07:51 PM by Jakes51
Why am I not surprised that US officials have been caught up in the carnage and mayhem of Mexico? It was only a matter of time, before they got caught in the crossfire. The Mexican border is a powder keg, and it ought to be militarized before the US begins to experience the carnage that is going on in Mexico at present. Chopping off heads, dissolving people while alive in drums of acid, and countless other atrocities could be part of the landscape in the US?



It's as though the government is allowing the border states to escalate into anarchy. The influence of the cartels reaches the highest levels of both local and federal government in Mexico. Their politicians are as terrified as the people. They(Mexican Cartels) have even gone so far as to use the quote once coined by Pablo Escobar when dealing with government interference to his criminal enterprise.


"plata o plomo," (literally silver or lead, colloquially [accept] money or [face] bullets).

en.wikipedia.org...

Apparently, in Mexico, the politicians, local law enforcement, and military officials choose the latter?The Mexican government is in no way, shape, or form able to deal with the problem alone. Therefore, it must be dealt with on the US end of the problem. The US has to keep the narco-traffickers and terrorists down in Mexico, and from filtering in among the other immigrants who are seeking work and a better life. Although they cross, in a illegal manner, but all in all, they are civil. They are using that portion of people as a diversion or smoke screen to conceal themselves and their activities.

Then, NAFTA has to be abolished as a means to hinder the easy transportation and distribution of illicit items through trucking. It is not Mexico's problem, but a problem of the US as well. I am worried about the spillover that is bound to happen sooner or later.

However, this is one of the primary reasons why a military presence is need, because of the group known as the "Los Zetas." This is a paramilitary force with sophisticated weaponry, intelligence gathering equipment, and military tactics. These mercenary force, who were once Mexican Army Special Forces were trained in the US and other nations of military might.


It is believed they were originally trained at the military School of the Americas in the United States[10][11] and by other foreign specialists of the United States, France and Israel. They were trained in rapid deployment, aerial assaults, marksmanship, ambushes, small-group tactics, intelligence collection, counter-surveillance techniques, prisoner rescues and sophisticated communications.

en.wikipedia.org...



What is to stop them from gathering intelligence on the border patrol and ambushing them out in bush while conducting surveillance? Or using improvised explosive devices to hinder their efforts efforts? This stuff is serious, and the Border Patrol and local law enforcement are totally outmatched when dealing with this group. They have already been alleged to have crossed the border to commit murder and terror already, and what is to stop them from assaulting federal authorities if backed into the corner? This problem is a ticking time bomb, and I agree with many, it is very odd that the mainstream media seems to be toying with such a dangerous topic? Then, the politicians in Washington seem to turn a blind-eye to this problem that is in their own backyard. Why is the government resorting to the bare minimum in stemming the problem? That is a conspiracy.

This no longer a law enforcement problem, but one of military importance. However, I am just singing to the choir, because nothing will be done until it becomes another man made disaster or state of emergency. Then, it will be so far out of control there will be nothing that can be done to eradicate the problem completely. Furthermore, more violations of civil liberties will continue, increased military presence inside the US, and extensive surveillance of the American people will result. They will use the chaos and anarchy caused by their own inaction, as an excuse to bring this country even closer to a policed state for the sake of public safety. That is the vibe I am seeing about how this thing is going to turn out if nothing is done.



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