My boss told me I can't visit ATS

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posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 07:22 PM
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That makes sense to me, kind of like not being able to bring certain things onto private property, but if this was enforced at Winn Dixie, it would have to be enforced across the board on every employee.

But I would still appreciate a link, because I do not understand how this applies to Winn Dixie.
Your comparison relates to the act of bringing any type of personal laptop into a certain area in order to protect intellectual property rights.
And it is enforced on everyone and not specific situations.

From the story in the OP, it appears as if this is like comparing apples and oranges.




posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by Springer
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In the mean time, I would caution him about invading your privacy while off the clock. Matter of fact, you SHOULD report him, he sounds an overbearing LOSER who thinks he knows it all.

[edit on 3-14-2010 by Springer]


He's being paid to work, not bring politics into the workplace. Oh it's his lunch break. So what? Then he can go somewhere else with his laptop, browse ATS all he wants, and keep it out of the work area.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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I am definitely not an employer nor an employee, except of myself that is.

I understand what you are alluding to, but it is my understanding that an employer must have the rules of the company in writing, and the employee must have signed and consciously agreed to said rules for the rules to be enforceable when dealing with issues of privacy at work.
Employment is a contract, and this would fall into some legal gray area regarding privacy and contract law.

When dealing with privacy issues at work the situation is not as cut and dried as you portray it.

I will try to find a link myself to clear this up, but if you can point me in a direction then I would be very appreciative.



[edit on 3/14/2010 by Josephus23]



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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Well said.

Looking for an employee?



Semi serious if you read my post in this thread.

Kudos.



[edit on 14-3-2010 by XXXN3O]



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Josephus23
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That makes sense to me, kind of like not being able to bring certain things onto private property, but if this was enforced at Winn Dixie, it would have to be enforced across the board on every employee.


As I had stated in a rebut to the discrimination aspect the OP stated that he was told not to view ATS, not use the laptop. In addition, corporate may have determined that each location defines its own policies based on specifics of that location. We just don't have enough information to determine.

As I have no idea what a Winn Dixie is, except what has been stated in this thread. In addition I'm Canadian, so our laws may differ from US law. Generally speaking, employment isn't a "right", it's a choice made by the employer to give you an opportunity to earn, while you do the best you can for their organization. And a "choice" by you to live within their rules as you provide for your family (if applicable).

Back to Winn Dixie, I don't know if this is a chain of supermarkets, or a 3 isle local 7-11. They may or may not have policy on internet usage. So my responses of this employee's concern are based on generalities. I suspect that if this is a large chain, they would have already written up an AUP on internet usage for both company and personally owned computers.

There are many places you may not bring a personal computer into that aren't in the technical fields. Some for the safety of your equipment, others for the safety of their patrons. In this specific instance someone would have to provide information on state and employment policy to be completely accurate.

..Ex



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 07:46 PM
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I agree with blazer below your OP, although i wouldn't have put it quite as diplomatically as he did.

Your employer is a control freak, and seems to be grooming you to be his control-ee to increase his sense of power, and alleviate his feelings of inadequacy. Do you want to allow this? This is your life..the only one you'll ever get, i recommend living it on your terms, not on someone else's.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by Josephus23
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I am definitely not an employer nor an employee, except of myself that is.
[edit on 3/14/2010 by Josephus23]


Ok, I'll give you that you have no employees, and may not have been exposed to this in the past.

The reality is (in Canada) that an employee may be terminated at any time for no reason at all. All that is required is notice or cash in lieu of notice based on the amount of time they had worked. eg: 1 weeks pay for each year worked. generally speaking. (there is a formula, I just don't feel like being exact atm)

In this country, having an employee sign a litany or rules as the basis of their employment has been challenged in the courts and you can't do that. It's defined as the employee being under duress and the rules have to be discussed at the interview stage to be considered valid. (good luck with that one)

Employees can be good or bad, depending on who you hire. Some have been fantastic, some have been nightmares. You never hire someone with the thought that you will have to fire their lazy butts. You hire hoping that they will be an asset to your company.

In the OP's case, this is ATS and we all love a good conspiracy. I just don't see how the employer would be at fault for forbidding ATS within their premises. This isn't about privacy, as unencrypted wireless communication has no expectation of privacy (also challenged). The employer could see the site and recognize what was on it, and if they could other employees could as well. So to me, it's very cut and dry, the OP should visit ATS after they leave work if they plan to keep working there.

..Ex



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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You are probably in the right, but what good does it do to be right and broke?

Let the manager get his way. Browse ATS away from the workplace. You'll just be a hero with no job.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:00 PM
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Why were you looking at ATS when you could have just as easily been looking at some sweet porn?



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by MMPI2
Why were you looking at ATS when you could have just as easily been looking at some sweet porn?


You know, I bet you someones been fired for that...






posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
This is my laptop and there were 3 other people out there on their laptops too. We are not paid for a lunch break. Actually I should turn him in because he makes people work overtime with their average hourly pay and people are not allowed to take their promised paid time off or they will get fired. But where I live either you keep the job you have or you have no job.


I've gotta say...this wouldn't be a question in a unionised environment. Anti-union folks say it's all about slack-arses not getting fired...but it's really all about workers' rights.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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if these where different times, i would should suggest going up to your boss and telling him that you are allowed to look at this website, but with the way the economy is, i wouldn't risk it. unless you have another job, then go for it.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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Chill out bring in a copy of Mein Kampf and read that instead - see what he says then.



Thanks for making me laugh today.

Threadstarter, Why is it important that you be online in your lunch hour anyway, even though you have every right?
Can you leave the workplace during your lunch hour? If so, take it to your nearest park maybe.
Or simply leave your electronic connection to the worlds apron strings at home, go online after work.
Always amazes how much folk seem to cling to things like laptops, ipods, mobile phones these days, god forbid you should be without them occasionally.
Go and experience life outside the screen.
I can imagine the movie 'surrogates' becoming reality these days sadly.
Smell the roses, walk the dog, Today, live more of your life!



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:13 PM
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LOL...

My post was more commentary and not an attempt at legal advice, if the poster is seriously concerned he should erm... seek legal advice not the advice of us "tin foil wearing ATS types..."

If this were Sun or Cisco - then the laptop would never get to the workplace and then the person would not use the laptop, would not use their own web connectivity or view the website and so would not be in trouble...

As for the second point... I think you manage to explain my point better than me...

LOL
Peace..
OUT - I dip my toes rarely into other forums...



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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I thought that every state had a "wrongful termination" statute, could be wrong. But I thought Federal Courts could trump it.

If I were you, (and this is ONLY if your laws are against his firing) I'd invest in a small digital recorder. Next time you take a break, go on your computer, and hit record. See if he comes over and starts talking that trash.

If the law is on your side... instant Millionaire. I may sound harsh , but these guys need to learn this isn't Russia or China. Take a Million from a company like that, they'll be sure NOBODY ever talks about political affiliation again.

If it were me, I'd gladly hit them in their bank account. Fascists need to learn.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:15 PM
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If its an unreasonable request from him you have two choices. Keep doing it and lose your job or do it at home and keep your job.
Digging your toes in over ATS is simply not worth it regardless whether you are in the right and he is an idiot.
And.. he might be right!



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Prove_It_NOW
I thought that every state had a "wrongful termination" statute, could be wrong. But I thought Federal Courts could trump it.

If the law is on your side... instant Millionaire. I may sound harsh , but these guys need to learn this isn't Russia or China. Take a Million from a company like that, they'll be sure NOBODY ever talks about political affiliation again.

If it were me, I'd gladly hit them in their bank account. Fascists need to learn.


OMG, this is really BAD advice. You can only ever sue for the damages you suffered, of which you can prove. Instant millionaire indeed. Wrongful termination is a procedural error, not "he didnt have a reason" error.

Gawd..

..Ex



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:29 PM
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Thank you for the well thought out reply and the information on Canadian employment law.

The only reason that I made the comment about the laptop and privacy is that we Americans tend to freak out about privacy laws, and I do know that some privacy laws apply in an employer/employee relationship.
I do not know what the exacts of the privacy laws are however.

In the states, we have huge issues with jurisdiction and I have no idea how the jurisdiction issue would affect privacy laws and employment.

One poster related a story concerning their own battle against a corporation, and it pretty well summed up the way statutory law works in the states.

If someone has enough money, then they are generally subject to different statutory enforcement than someone without money.
The judges in civil law (contract) courtrooms in the states are not bound by common law stare decisis, but rather the concept of jurisprudence constante.

They can literally do whatever they wish to do in a courtroom, they might be removed from the bench if they do something really ridiculous, but this is a judicial right that is similar to pardons issued by executives.
Even though a judge can technically do whatever they wish to do, they had better keep it looking on the level if they wish to be re-elected.

Anyhoo... I am totally tangential.

Once again, sincere thanks on the well thought out reply.


[edit on 3/14/2010 by Josephus23]



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:33 PM
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have to agree , bad way to make millions since no one gets cash like that,

at most if one tried that tactic one would get the salery your entitle to by your contract so if youve signed up for x ammount of time lets say 1 year , so you only get the salery for the time left on the contract and if you can show youve been wronglfully hurt or something you might even get a compensation for that but basicly you only get the salery which your contract entitles you to , assuming one has not broken company policies or laws which are not in cross fire with the laws in what country your in.

id advise not to go after millions by stating "mcdonals brewed hot coffey which you then spilt on your self"..



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 08:47 PM
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if you there on the job site and off the clock clocked out ! for lunch ! then there is no reason for him to fire you he cant = employment at will or not

if so you can fight it and collect unemployment benefits

but if its a 15 min break your on their time
i am not sure what could happen if the link to the internet is from company
you work for what rules apply ?

if you are a direct link to a satellite and off the clock on your time
and there a eatery in your store with wireless internet service your considered a customer when your off the clock " my opinion "

i can not see the reason your manager to fire you a threat to you from the bosses own personal opinion

i would look into the policy's and regulations and code of conduct of the company you work for if i were you





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