My boss told me I can't visit ATS

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posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Realtruth
Just a little FYI for the people that are ignorant to laws.

You did the right thing by not saying anything. Why? 1st amendment.

Next he asks you to stop looking at ATS, on your laptop and your lunch break tell him that you will be glad to.

Key move, next ask him to put it in writing, have witnesses too with the verbal conversation, if someone else was around when he told you this then that is also good.

Next, everyone thus far is forgetting the 1st amendment of the US constitution. Constitution supersedes, Federal Law supersedes all state law, and corporate policies are low on the totem poll.

I don't give a damn what the terms of corporate are, they cannot violate your constitutional rights, on your personal time and property.

After he puts it in writing hire a good attorney that has taken cases like this before and sue their asses.



[edit on 14-3-2010 by Realtruth]

People really should read the First Amendment. Particularly before giving advice that can ruin a life.
The First Amendment says:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
It doesn't say' "Your boss shall make no law...."
The 1st Amendment just flat doesn't apply to non-goverment entities. Your employer can screw with your speech all he or it wants. Just like ATS can ban you for freely speaking George Carlin's "dirty words."
Listen folks, if you don't know what you are talking about, just shut up. You can give bad advice which can really cause damage.

P.S.I have been a licensed attorney since 1975.




posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
Florida Employment Law


Employment at Will

Under Florida law, employment contracts which do not specify a definite term of employment are terminable "at will." In other words, an employee can quit or be fired at anytime for any reason, other than those proscribed by law (e.g., race, sex, handicap, age, etc.). Recently, some plaintiffs have challenged Florida's at will policy, arguing that the employer's personnel handbook laid out a termination procedure requiring good reason or cause. The courts, however, have largely resisted these arguments and continue to view most employment contracts without a definite term of employment as terminable by either party at their discretion.

Employment contracts which specify a definite term of employment are not terminable at will. Instead, both parties must abide by the terms of the agreement, otherwise they may be subject to a breach of contract lawsuit.


Have you noticed that in an "at will" State, in which I live, you are required to give a 2 week notification of your resignation if you want a fair recommendation. However, the employer is not required to give you a 2 week notice of termination!!



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Holly nazi germany batman, you know not being able to go to a site like ATS on your own time is the first sign of the apocalypse. 'lol joking'. Now on to more serious things, people like your boss are idiots, there are worser things online then ATS it's a mild site compared to some that i'v been to. My advice find out what you have to do to take his job, and stick with it thill you do, dont get the law involved its a waste of $$, bureaucracy are there to help themselves not you. It seems that he may be out to fire you so keep looking out for new jobs, if you get lucky and find one, get out of there.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Holly nazi germany batman, you know not being able to go to a site like ATS on your own time is the first sign of the apocalypse. 'lol joking'. Now on to more serious things, people like your boss are idiots, there are worser things online then ATS it's a mild site compared to some that i'v been to. My advice find out what you have to do to take his job, and stick with it thill you do, dont get the law involved its a waste of $$, bureaucracy are there to help themselves not you. It seems that he may be out to fire you so keep looking out for new jobs, if you get lucky and find one, get out of there.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Holly nazi germany batman, you know not being able to go to a site like ATS on your own time is the first sign of the apocalypse. 'lol joking'. Now on to more serious things, people like your boss are idiots, there are worser things online then ATS it's a mild site compared to some that i'v been to. My advice find out what you have to do to take his job, and stick with it thill you do, dont get the law involved its a waste of $$, bureaucracy are there to help themselves not you. It seems that he may be out to fire you so keep looking out for new jobs, if you get lucky and find one, get out of there.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:00 PM
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I'm from GA, so I know that here it is a "right to work" state. If that applies to your state there is not much you can do, but morally if I were you I would find somewhere else to work...



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by aero56
but I find it very interesting after all this time that the site is now blocked.

wow, didn't u get the memo??

The Surgeon General has determined visiting
ATS is detrimental to destabilizing the mental
health of this nation and can cause high blood
pressure in heated debates and in some cases can cause
severe anti-patriotic actions while visiting certain
US owned Gov/Military institutions. And eventually leads
to insanity, depression, paranoia, and schizophrenia
and possibly death from waterboarding at Gitmo.


[edit on 14-3-2010 by boondock-saint]



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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First off why does it even matter that I am on ATS while on break? Second how could he fire me for just visiting a website that is perfectly safe and legal? What is this guy’s problem and can he legally fire me for this. I don't understand what the problem is I was on a lunch break.


Man, don't be such childish. Face the things by the GOOD side. At least NOW your know your supervisor is a reactionary committed with the system and he feels threatened by those who expose this system. And if he threatened to fire YOU just 'cos you were accessing a site like ATS, he must feel VERY threatened. This isn't about if his abuse of authority was legal or not. Ok you were in a lunch break, but you were WITHIN the store, weren't you?? Has this enterprise any police practice that prohibits access to internet or something like that??? Were you using a wireless spot of this enterprise??? Forget the ATS, what else you were doing, they can use AGAINST you??? Put it on the balance: Your payment is that good?? Worth pick a fight 'cos a thing you can do any other time of the day?? ATS will pay your bills??? The conspiracists here will pay your bills, put food in your table???
Man, a thing you can regard is: "What's the problem with your supervisor, or what's your problem right now??" For that record, ain't saying he's right, I'm saying you to be PRAGMATIC, PRACTICAL and see if it really worth a fight...



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by foxhoundone
This supervisor is on a power trip, You say unemployment is quite high so i assume he is taking advantage of his position,
I am not trying to encourage you to break the law in anyway, (wink)
But you know that dodgy shelve or lose flooring, Or the fact he has not give you a manual handling or backcare course...
Enough said matey


Yup.
Dude has a failing sniffer. Doesn't even smell his own asinine bacon strips. Kinda like my boss who tries to tell me to leave my thermos in the truck. I have it for when I'm thirsty, it's called sustenance.
He is a control freak, no?
Let the higher-ups know why you will not be compliant on your own time. Your own network. And don't hide your noncompliance from him. Take that coffee thermos everywhere you go! Sit down at his desk, and close the door on him-and lock him out!
If you're going to get fired, make it on your terms, not his.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:04 PM
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I wouldn't be totally sure about that.

If one can prove that their civil rights were violated, then it is a federal case.

That is a big if, but I wouldn't be calling people out on returning their law degree.
We do not become subject to some type of special corporate private property law when we go to work.
For instance, our car is still an extension of our home, even if we are at work.
That is why employers can't simply search vehicles or even our person without having consent.
That pesky 4th Amendment is always getting in the way of running a business.

As I said in my previous post, federal law applies in very particular circumstances, and this could be one of those.
I am not aware of how privacy laws are reflected in lap tops.
So, until I see the proof of the pudding, then I will state that "I do not know".

Unless, of course, you can provide a link for what you are saying.

Then I will be more than willing to eat crow and admit that I am wrong.
But, to be honest with you, I don't think that I am saying that I am in the right about anything.

I am stating that I do not believe that you are 100% correct, and, if you are, I would highly appreciate a link.

Cheers.

[edit on 3/14/2010 by Josephus23]



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:12 PM
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assuming you where on a laptop surfing id also assume that you where using wifi ,

if its on the company property with their wifi they can do and say what they will and want about surfing with their "property"

secondly , is lunch brake private time or company time ?

well if its a 9-5 job or any other "slave job" then the lunch brake is just your "free" time withinn your job time so its technicly not after hours so you still have to comply to company rules aslong as your on company property,

but as mentioned read throu your job application / company rules set ,
if there is a mention about using social networks on/with company property
and that its not accepted then your case is very weak

other wise id suggest you start to tape the conversations you two have or demand a written note and start looking for another job , no need to take bs from someone if they are out of line.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:13 PM
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Employment contracts which specify a definite term of employment are not terminable at will. Instead, both parties must abide by the terms of the agreement, otherwise they may be subject to a breach of contract lawsuit.


IMO, a thing he should regard if it REALLY worthy a fight. I mean, lets see:

1- His payment is that good???
2- Besides this eventual abuse of his supervisor, the enterprise is a good place to work, has a good environment???
3- They offer good careers planes, health cares, stuffs like that???
4- ATS will pay his bills??
5- ATS conspiracist members will pay his bills???
6 - Is time to play Karen Silkwood or Erin Brocovich in a time of economic crisis, like that???

C'mon man, this guy can access ATS or whatever he wants, OUTSIDE of his job environment. He won't be a coward due this, he will be just pragmatic and practical.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by jrmcleod
reply to post by Misoir
 


No he cant fire you, period...bt what you can do is resign from your position and take him to an employment tribunial and lodge for constructive dismissal through bullying...(your beliefs)


HAHAHAHA
Omg, that is hilarious.

As an employer, I assure you there are lots of good reasons an employer wouldn't want you visiting a site like ATS on your lunch break/coffee break.

If it's a coffee break mandated for a full time employee, then its a paid break and your on his time. If it's lunch, but you are still on premise then it may be an unpaid break, but your still bound to present yourself in a manner befitting an employee. The befitting an employee part is subjective.

As far as constructive dismissal is concerned for "bullying" you would need to have more evidence than whining that you weren't allowed to visit a website while at work. It's guys that suggest moronic strategy like the above that wrecks it for other employees.

Do I personally care if my staff visits ATS? Not really, it's good conversation at times. However each employer has the right to determine what they want their establishment to be represented as. Porn sites are legal, so is motherless and some other gore related sites. Doesn't mean I want Suzie home maker seeing that over your shoulder, no matter if your on a break or not.

If you really complain, or make waves, he will find some reason to fire you. Everybody screws up from time to time, the OP is no different. Best bet would be to find another job, and move on if you can. Then you can keep your reference, and see if the new employer is more tolerant.

..Ex



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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OP,

My suggestion is for you to contact the Labor board in your State. Tell them the details and ask for their recommendations. just remember, if you go on this crusade against the grocery store, you will probably earn a moral victory, but most likely you'll lose your job.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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I'm just wondering if ATS or any conspiracist member here, that is claiming he should pick a fight against the enterprise, will pay his bills and put food on his table if his boss fire him up...


[edit on 14-3-2010 by ucalien]



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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His view is completely valid

Most posters on here do lie and distort facts. Maybe not intentionally, but it's true.

Anyways, don't get caught next time.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir

Originally posted by Aliensdoexist
reply to post by Misoir
 


Plain and simple I would tell him if he tells me what I can and cannot do on my own private time with my own personal items that him and my Louisville Slugger are going to have a meeting with his kneecaps. If this was during working hours with a work provided laptop I would say he is justified in his actions but if its your laptop and your not getting paid for lunch then he has no right. A better course of action would to just keep doing it till you get fired then call a Lawyer.


Great post.


This is my laptop and there were 3 other people out there on their laptops too. We are not paid for a lunch break. Actually I should turn him in because he makes people work overtime with their average hourly pay and people are not allowed to take their promised paid time off or they will get fired. But where I live either you keep the job you have or you have no job.


There's only one way to deal with someone like that, screw him before he screws you. I'm sure your state or federal employment commission would like to hear about overtime that's not paid properly or at all. You might gain whistleblower status, and they will go back years through the time cards, and interview employees about how or how they've not been getting paid. I wouldn't waste any time filing a complaint.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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I think that your employer is just being friendly. Just laugh about it. See it from his point of view. I am sure that he was just having a bit of fun with you.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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My suggestion is for you to contact the Labor board in your State. Tell them the details and ask for their recommendations. just remember, if you go on this crusade against the grocery store, you will probably earn a moral victory, but most likely you'll lose your job.


Labor board or Union??? However, I haven't seen none here ask if this guy is married, if he have children, if he have a house, a family to provide... I don't know... I moral crusade right now in this times of economic crisis will be good??? It worth this fight right now?? I mean, he can access ATS or whatever he wants OUTSIDE of his job environment, anytime... And I'm 100% sure that ATS or any member here WON'T pay his bills if he got fired.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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You are totally on the money regarding Wifi being company property.

But even if one is on company time while on break, if one's laptop is considered an extension of the home, similar to a car, then firing someone could be a technical violation of their civil rights.

Even though I totally agree with you, we are in a similar situation to a surf and a master scenario at nearly all wage earning jobs.
We still have a few laws that are meant to protect our privacy while employed.

I honestly do not know where laptops fit into this situation and I would love a link.

This is a very tricky issue.
So, I would once again agree with you on the rest of your statement.

Or one could simply find another job working with someone who is not on a power trip.





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