Most Men Are Victims of Porn - Pornography as Social Engineering, page 1
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Topic started on 13-3-2010 @ 11:34 AM by joeofthemountain
This is a fascinating essay by Henry Makow, PhD.

Given the recent thread on the "healthiness" of porn, this would serve as a counterbalance.

Below find the introductory paragraph, which in the main essay is followed by the author's personal experience.

A note those that enjoy and digest pornography:
This post is not addressed to you.

I have no interest in you or your notions of pleasure.

Please, please, please move to another thread as this is not for you. I certainly do not want to argue with you, debate with you, or attempt to convince you out of your chosen enjoyment.

Quite the contrary, I wish you well and ask that you depart in peace.

A Note to Those that Understand Porn is Corrosive and Detrimental:
This thread is intended for you, who understand already that pornography is a form of social suicide. I think we can learn from Dr Makow's thinking and observations, to protect ourselves and our children from the corrosive affect of pornography on our immediate families and to integrate these ideas as we attempt to further our generations and the ultimate happiness of our children.

A Note to the Ambivalent:
Further, I hope those that have experimented with porno, but who remain ambivalent or unconvinced as to its propriety and ultimate value, will consider Dr Makow's exhortation and use it as the motivation to leave this practice before irreversible harm is done to your lives.





In the rear view mirror, it's now clear porn is used as a form of political control. Get us to think about sex, and we won't think about how our freedom is being taken away.

I doubt if women were always seen as sex objects. They had to sexualize women. PLAYBOY undressed the "girl next door." That was for my generation. Now they are sexualizing children. Next it will be animals. And finally fence posts.

The idea is to get us thinking of nothing but our genitals and short term relationships.

PLAYBOY changed the habits of my (baby boomer) generation resulting in sexual chaos and broken families.

PLAYBOY was presented as advanced thinking. But in retrospect we can see that it really was sophisticated social engineering. With messianic fervor, Playboy took its message of sexual freedom to the American male who, in the 1950's and 1960's, still consecrated sex for marriage. But the freedom was illusory. Playboy's aim, the aim of all pornographers, was to hook men on the glossy fantasy.

To do this, they had to prevent them from finding true satisfaction in marriage. In Judith Reisman's words, "Playboy was the first national magazine to exploit college men's fears of women and family commitment. Playboy offered itself as a reliable, comforting substitute for monogamous heterosexual love." ("Soft Porn Plays Hardball," p 47)


Read the Entire Essay at This Link


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 12:33 PM by ThirdJohnAdams
reply to post by joeofthemountain



It seems more like an Opinion and this is just me being a little critical, than it does an informative essay. If you want to counterbalance the other thread, your going to have to come out shooting some fire, this can't hold a flame to my bic.

Sorry Mate, it was an indeed interesting read, but nothing a regular visitor to this site hasn't already realized in there own mind.

I will add this, I ended my casual viewing with the stuff years ago, when I started losing the everyday sexual attraction I had with my significant other. Sure enough cut the crap, relationship stays good.

[edit on 13-3-2010 by ThirdJohnAdams]


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 12:47 PM by ThirdJohnAdams
reply to post by liquidsmoke206



Hahaha I was trying to be subtle.
Guess I need to pick up on being an unreasonable jerk to fit in on ATS.


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 12:51 PM by tothetenthpower
You do realize that by creating a thread and specifically stating that you do not want people who disagree to post, you are going to get more of those people than the other right?

I mean, this is a dicussion forum.

This is part that cracks me up however.

This post is not addressed to you.

I have no interest in you or your notions of pleasure.

Please, please, please move to another thread as this is not for you. I certainly do not want to argue with you, debate with you, or attempt to convince you out of your chosen enjoyment.


Then right afterwards..

A Note to Those that Understand Porn is Corrosive and Detrimental:
This thread is intended for you, who understand already that pornography is a form of social suicide.


You are pandering to your audience here friend. When you use the words understand and already, this means that no matter what anybody tells you, your opinion is valid and the other person's isn't.

Very slippery slope.

I will give you my opinion however, your just gonna have to ignore it if it's not to your liking.

I think that the Western Culture are a bunch of prudes. Nudity never hurt anybody and this is the reason god gave you a neck, it's so you could look the other way.

Personally, I'm not a fan of porn, use to get the odd one here and there as a teenager, but it's just not something I dwell upon in these times.

Do I think it's harmful to society? No.

Do I think people have a right to film people having sex? Yes.

Do I believe it's degrading to women? Depends on the porn at hand. Although these people all have a choice, nobody is twisting their arm.

Do I think it corrupts families and ideologies? Yes, when people such as conservatives try to paint it as evil or part of Satan's Programming.

Live and let live. Porno is a release, and I'm willing to be that without it, we'd see much more rape and sexual predators out on the street than safely just watching porn in the privacy of their own homes.

~Keeper


[edit on 3/13/2010 by tothetenthpower]



reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 12:52 PM by liquidsmoke206
reply to post by ThirdJohnAdams




how was a jerk?

the OP is being unreasonable...."dont argue, and don't question, don't think either."

pretty wimpy way to start a thread if you ask me.


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 12:56 PM by ThirdJohnAdams
reply to post by liquidsmoke206



Well when you contribute not a thing, counter argument or otherwise, then attack the guy, seems jerkish.

The author of the essay had a PHD, doesn't sound to stupid to me. While it was more of an editorial than an essay, you've got no right to say anything, you were to lazy to even read.

Yet not to lazy to attack someone, yeah that qualifies as a jerk to me.

[edit on 13-3-2010 by ThirdJohnAdams]


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 12:58 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by ThirdJohnAdams



That's the problem with the world today. Some how putting 3 letters in front of your name makes you better and smarter than everybody else.

Also seems to make your opinion more valid.

Strange isn't it?

~Keeper


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 01:01 PM by ThirdJohnAdams
reply to post by tothetenthpower



While I don't disagree with you on that.
I mean the guy had to take the time and effort to earn it. Makes him smarter than me in my book. I think I'm going to go back to letting the OP get ravaged, I couldn't care one way or the other.

It's just a shame how people who get beat to the punch, or do find something that they think is worthwhile, get attacked on this site, for the most mundane things. It's not very new user friendly on here.

Real aggresive forums lol.


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 01:03 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by ThirdJohnAdams



I see where your coming from.

Here's the problem.

He specifically stated he did not want ANYBODY who disagreed with him to post in the this forum. That's why it's all going to hell..

Sure you can make some rules as an OP. Mine are usually along the lines of " Don't turn this into a poo flinging contest", but to sensor people's point of view because they are different is exactly what we try to avoid here.

"Deny Ignorance"

The OP is ignorance. Not him personnaly, as I don't know him, but to ask something like that, on here, it's just..well dumb.

~Keeper


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 01:05 PM by liquidsmoke206
reply to post by ThirdJohnAdams





Well when you contribute not a thing, counter argument or otherwise, then attack the guy, seems jerkish.

I can't attack people if they don't set themselves up for it. I didn't contribute anything at the request of the OP. see I am playing nice.


The author of the essay had a PHD, doesn't sound to stupid to me. While it was more of an editorial than an essay, you got right to say anything, you were to lazy to even read.



yer gonna have to do more then wave around a piece of paper to prove you have any brains around here. I don't give a crap about a PHD, his opinions are stupid, plain and simple. I wasn't too lazy, I don't know what laziness has to do with any of this, maybe yer just tryin to be a jerk? I stated why I didn't read it, because the piece that was posted didn't hold my interest...it was too stupid. Maybe there are some good points to be made in the essay and the OP just failed post those in favor of some really stupid opinions. I reckon thats entirely possible considering everything else about this thread has been a complete fail.


Yet not to lazy to attack someone, yeah that qualifies as a jerk to me.



I've always got the energy to deny ignorance. I do it my way, if that makes a jerk in your eyes, then fine, I'll wear it like a badge of honer.



reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 01:46 PM by Exv8densez
reply to post by liquidsmoke206



Do you ever visualize the "gun" under your pants?

Sorry in advance if that was offensive.


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 02:15 PM by liquidsmoke206
reply to post by Exv8densez



The only thing that offends me are people that get offended.
and yeah I have no idea what your comment means, where yer going with it, or how it relates to the thread....

so no I'm not offended, but pointless posts tend to offend some people so watch out.
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