Texas Removes Thomas Jefferson from Textbooks, page 3

reply to post by endisnighe

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It is as I have said here before, all this is the increasing brazeness of the evangelical "Christian" cultists to replace our system with a militant theocracy. They don't even hide their intentions anymore and will tell you straight up the Constitution permits Christian rule.

reply to post by Free People of Earth

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This has nothing to do with the federal government and everything to do with religious extremists in Texas using the state's buying clout to dictate to the rest of the states. They knew damn good and well what they were doing...it has been a matter of heated debate there for weeks.

reply to post by Pellevoisin

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I have to disagree.

We need national standards of education. Our children are being short changed left and right while school boards play politics with their education and this is a prime example.

We are falling behind in just about every measure... science...math...reading etc. I don't think the federal government should run schools but what my kid learns in Virgina should be the same thing he learns in Texas. But no one group should be saying what that is.

If you want to home school fine but I don't think a bunch of fanatics should have the right or the power to dictate what my or your child should learn.

I also they should stop teaching to the test. That is not learning...that is mimicry. They need to learn the tools to think for themselves.

this kind of crap makes us the laughing stock of the developed world.

[edit on 3/13/2010 by iMacFanatic]

Originally posted by iMacFanatic
reply to post by Pellevoisin

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If you want to home school fine but I don't think a bunch of fanatics should have the right or the power to dictate what my or your child should learn.

[edit on 3/13/2010 by iMacFanatic]

You are in part making my point. No one should be responsible for the education of your children but you.

There is precious little to be taught by "national standards" -- those guidelines will always flow from the agenda of someone else upon your children.

The two keys are accountability and responsibility and both of those lie with the parents not with institutions of the State.

HAHA! I love this state ya'll. I am sure it is because they think Jefferson had a few illegitimate children with one of his slaves, but that's Texas for you, bash the gays and interracial couples. People in the cities of Texas don't really do this, it is the people out in the pastures and small towns that have zero common sense, intelligence, or independent thought.
www.monticello.org...
www.anusha.com...
The Monticello was Jefferson's estate so it is a little bias.

I was privileged enough to go to a decent public school in Texas. They never once mentioned religion or any of that nonsense.

I do remember we had a semester a year of class dedicated to 'Texas History,' which revolved around Sam Houston, James Bowie(Bowie Knife), William B. Travis, General Santa Anna(Evil), Stephen F. Austin, and the Alamo(REMEMBER THE ALAMO).

Every Texan that went to public school can tell you more about the history of Texas than anything else. More than U.S. history, church, and football combined! What a waste!

Did you know Texas is the only state that can raise its flag to the same height as the U.S. flag? It is because we were once our own country. It is also a law for us to balance our budget every year, something I think the U.S. should consider.

OH man, I forgot Davey Crockett! Coonskin hat and all.

[edit on 13-3-2010 by tooo many pills]

reply to post by iamsupermanv2

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What Texas does has no effect on the other states text book purchases. I was responsible for the history textbook adoption at the school I worked at a year ago, each large company(Holt, Houghton Mifflin, Etc...) will produce an individualized text for each state. One I can certainly remember being very individual was the eighth grade history book because the curriculum was state history, which has to be individual.

Also, we were in very close contact with the companies rep the year after the purchase so we could let them know what changes in the actual text needed to occur.

In another interesting note about modern text books, they are being supported by more technology than ever before, so the instructor can literally pop in a disk and play a PowerPoint presentation for chapter and section reviews. These are much easier to work with (print, present) and they allow states which do not have the money for full-time instructors to hire under-qualified, non-licensed teachers to teach the material. Sort of making the education "dummy proof". This happens mostly in the "non-tested" courses such as history, pe and some grades of science. It is a very sad that it has come to this...

Finally, the individual states have jurisdiction over what the students learn within the home state. Only recently with the advent of No Child Left Behind and the ABC standards has the federal government ventured into the public school systems curriculum and standards.

[edit on 13-3-2010 by Dookie Master]

reply to post by Janky Red

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I kind of agree, Texas is so conservative it will be the last state to amend or change anything. So, you know what you are getting when you live here and as long as you are happy with the way things are, then Texas is the perfect place.

Now if you are for same-sex marriages, religion out of the government, marijuana reform, and being able to buy liquior on Sundays then Texas is a pretty backwards society and will be the last state to apply change.

[edit on 13-3-2010 by tooo many pills]

If you think that's bad, you better check out the entire list and see how bad it really is.

Texas Textbook MASSACRE: 'Ultraconservatives' Approve Radical Changes To State Education Curriculum

Originally posted by cenpuppie
Between Texas and North Carolina cutting out history before the civil war, no darn wonder the kids in the public school system are idiots...they are being taught a revised dumbed down version of it.

North Carolina teaches the hitory of the United States before the Civil War.

The eighth grade curriculum in North Carolina is titled "North Carolina history within the history of the United States." The state board decided this because NC's history is the history of the US. Native peoples, Colonial beginnings, slavery, revolutionary war battlefield, Civil War battlefield, industrial revolution, Civil Rights protests, etc...

I am not sure where you found your information, but I will supply a link for you to look into the history standards of NC.

North Carolina Standard Course of Study: Eighth Grade Social Studies

NCSCOS: Eleventh Grade

Although, as a former educator I do agree completely with your assessment of NC's terrible education record, 48th or 41st which ever (nobody brags about fighting for the basement). The main problem with the education system in NC and many other states is Social Promotions and the lack of adequate funding as I mentioned in my above post.

[edit on 13-3-2010 by Dookie Master]

reply to post by Pamie

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The Jefferson Bible is excellent. It combines all 4 gospels into one coherent story without the miracles.

Members of the Senate are sworn in on it to this day unless they want to use another bible.

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