Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by ashanu90
FACT: the world is at least 4.6 billion years old. The bible claims to be approximately 6,500.

You know what makes that statement not a fact? The bible doesn't say that. That 6500 year figure came up because the Hasmonean Jews were the ones who wrote the OT.... Given that it was written from their perspective, they promulgated the whole "the earth is only 6500 years old" crappolla. Know your facts before you declare it a FACT.....
[edit on 14-3-2010 by SpeakerofTruth]

if you are a christian then you beleive the bible and all of it's books including the OT tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes?
and that you have a supernaturaul fondness/love of jews because jesus himself was jewish yes? am i wrong correct me if i am i won't take offense.
but if the above is true then why would you beleivea the jews were wrong on this viewpoint/belief? were they not god's chosen? his favorites? the humans closest to him? if so they would know the exact truth beacause 'god' would tell them correct? why wouldn't they know the exact age of the earth?

Originally posted by ashanu90

if you are a christian then you beleive the bible and all of it's books including the OT tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes?
and that you have a supernaturaul fondness/love of jews because jesus himself was jewish yes? am i wrong correct me if i am i won't take offense.
but if the above is true then why would you beleivea the jews were wrong on this viewpoint/belief? were they not god's chosen? his favorites? the humans closest to him? if so they would know the exact truth beacause 'god' would tell them correct? why wouldn't they know the exact age of the earth?

NO
I do not have to bellieve the whole bible.
Do you believe in every single scientific journal?

NO
I do not have to bellieve the whole bible.
Do you believe in every single scientific journal?


well i suppose not but why wouldn't you beleive the entire bible if you are a christian? no offense but are you saying your god is overdramatic or a liar?

Originally posted by jeffiriff
i think the point was, evolution has nothing to do with the creation of life. Life was created (by who knows what) then we evolved into what we are now.

i won't say your suggesting anything, but how about the theory that aliens came and created/modified us and left or are maybe still here

if true can anyone explain where these aliens may have come from? or how they survived technological adolescence?

im open to ideas

i however find it difficult to except the genesis acount just to many inconsistancies as i've said amny times

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Makes sense - Darwin's ideas are more scientifically verifiable. In the 'information age' people have come to expect more tangible / verifiable evidence for things. We're no longer in the dark ages - where religion dictated much of culteral literacy and knowledge - 'bedtime stories' are no longer sufficient. People want to touch, observe, learn, share...

Funny thing is, still more science shows NEITHER makes sense!

One thing the fossil record show: homo sapien is FAR older than 6,000 years old, but...

The other thing it shows is that rather than subtle 'transition' is abrubt transformation over time. Overnight changes that drastically changed the latest 'iteration' of human.

Creationist and evolutionsts need to realize that the other is wrong, entirely.

But, together... they are both right.


(man, I don't think anyone knows what I'm talking about)

to everyone
remember when you hear something that sounds illogical some words of wisdom

"It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out" -Carl Sagan

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

extrordinary claims require extordinary evidence- carl sagan

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz


But, together... they are both right.


(man, I don't think anyone knows what I'm talking about)

i do unerstand what you mean i think your saying(correct me if i'm wrong)
that god created man and designed him to evolve through the years

i however disagree i'm still in favor of evolution

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz


Funny thing is, still more science shows NEITHER makes sense!

One thing the fossil record show: homo sapien is FAR older than 6,000 years old, but...

what science shows that neither makes sense?

Originally posted by munkey66
science cannot prove the beginning of the universe, just as religion cannot prove that GOD exists.
so each side has its own faith, scientific faith of the beginning to prove they are right versus religious faith to say they are right.

science and religion can work together, for without the restraints of religion, science has no moral compasss.

Point one; Science definitely can tell us how the universe began. it can tell us the first moment of life. And conceivably it can duplicate both events. if they happened once, then they can happen twice. or a hundred times.

Don't confuse "hasn't been able to do so yet" with "can't" - humans are the limiting factor. We only learn so fast, and technology staggers along behind us by a few steps. There will definitely be a day when we know, so long as we keep looking.

Point two; Science has no faith. It posits that the universe began - and obviously it must have, because here it is. Same with life. There are many hypotheses about how this happened, but they are widely debated, discussed, debated, reformed, and invented. Religion also maintains that the universe and life began... but then it points out how, and sets anyone who tries to debate on fire for being a heretic.

Point three; Religion is not required for morality. Indeed, religion often directly contradicts the moral standards held by most people, of any religion or lack thereof.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Originally posted by munkey66
science cannot prove the beginning of the universe, just as religion cannot prove that GOD exists.
so each side has its own faith, scientific faith of the beginning to prove they are right versus religious faith to say they are right.

science and religion can work together, for without the restraints of religion, science has no moral compasss.

Point one; Science definitely can tell us how the universe began. it can tell us the first moment of life. And conceivably it can duplicate both events. if they happened once, then they can happen twice. or a hundred times.

Don't confuse "hasn't been able to do so yet" with "can't" - humans are the limiting factor. We only learn so fast, and technology staggers along behind us by a few steps. There will definitely be a day when we know, so long as we keep looking.

Point two; Science has no faith. It posits that the universe began - and obviously it must have, because here it is. Same with life. There are many hypotheses about how this happened, but they are widely debated, discussed, debated, reformed, and invented. Religion also maintains that the universe and life began... but then it points out how, and sets anyone who tries to debate on fire for being a heretic.

Point three; Religion is not required for morality. Indeed, religion often directly contradicts the moral standards held by most people, of any religion or lack thereof.

thank you that has been one of the best posts on here so far. and it makes more sense to me than most things on this thread no offense to anyone

a question to all spiritual/religious/superstitious persons

why do you beleive what you do?

Originally posted by ashanu90

Originally posted by On the Edge
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Evolution has been used to justify every major genocide and wicked philosophy--i.e. Naziism, stalinism, communism--in history by killing off the weak.

the same logic can be used to say that a certain religion is the right on to justify the crusades,inquisitions,witch trials, and the torture of the knights templar i mean seriously that was messed up did you know the church tied weights to the members of the templars male region and just dropped them?

You're speaking of Catholicism,which is not the same as having a relationship with the Lord,Jesus Christ.

Rome is the harlot of Revelation and has nothing to do with Jesus.
Sorry you are misinformed.

I have nothing but contempt for the church of the anti-christ and the atrocities they have commissioned.