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reply posted on 12-3-2010 @ 04:15 PM by getreadyalready
reply to post by FortAnthem



I typically hate all the Israel bashing on ATS. And, I think the Muslim countries surrounding them are the aggressors at this point in history . . . . BUT . . . We have to face facts, and you are exactly right!

The Israelis would prefer, to have the Palestineans "completely" gone, up to and including Extermination. I would not dispute that fact at all, even though it sounds so hateful. I would remind everyone that the Palestineans and Muslims feel exactly the same way about Israel. Everyone in that geographical area wants everyone else exterminated.

So, it isn't very often that I get to agree with some post that tinges on the edge of bashing Israel, but in this case, the facts are the facts, and vice versa!



reply posted on 12-3-2010 @ 04:42 PM by illusive man
reply to post by getreadyalready



how about we leave the muslim countries out of this and their crappy ways
This is about Israel and palestine,

/Issue at hand is whats happening in that area not their neigbours/


reply posted on 12-3-2010 @ 04:47 PM by illusive man
reply to post by Sinter Klaas



considering Jewdisum is a Faith and not a Race.
just like Islam and christinity, unless your being racist and saying Jews are only people of a faith that are imbred?

i do agree with the bigger picture part


reply posted on 12-3-2010 @ 04:51 PM by getreadyalready
Originally posted by illusive man
reply to
post by getreadyalready



how about we leave the muslim countries out of this and their crappy ways
This is about Israel and palestine,

/Issue at hand is whats happening in that area not their neigbours/


Fair enough, but I think most of us laymen consider Palestine and Muslim as the same thing. The funds, and the weapons come from those larger countries. Also, when someone says that Israelis want to "exterminate" Palestinians, the statement kind of applies to Muslims as well. Israel would probably prefer to exterminate all of their neighbors and vice versa.

But, in the interest of keeping a thread civil, I can see why you would want to leave all of that out, but it is probably a moot point. The fanatics from each side will eventually rush in and take over, and I apologize if I was one of the first. I was actually kind of excited about having a chance to agree on one point!



reply posted on 12-3-2010 @ 04:56 PM by illusive man
reply to post by getreadyalready



fair play.

But remember Palestinians are of two Faiths Islam and christianity,
also Most Movements started as None Religous but national.

i dont care about faiths and would Like Religion kept out of this

if people want to talk about evil Jews,Muslims, christians and the man in the sky
go do it in some other place

(not aimed at you seeing your last part of your statement but anyone else who wants to bring in biblical crap into the topic)


reply posted on 12-3-2010 @ 05:16 PM by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by illusive man



As I recall, Jews are only Jew if there mother was.
Judaism is a faith. Jews are a race spread out in the world.

I'm not a racist unless someone thinks it's racist to even give a group of people there own box.

What I meant was that in that region of the world people seem not bothered to kill each other even without a reason.
And...
Usually killing and/or war are only beneficial for a few. The ones in power.

People don't start wars. Governments do.
Unfortunately people are easily influenced and because of that we our selves are to blame for creating the possibility.

If this is because of stupidity or a natural reaction, I don't know.

All I see flashing by when I read something like the OP.
Interviews where Jews as well as Palestine people say they lived in peace and good order with each other. As neighbours. All of a sudden this changed.


reply posted on 12-3-2010 @ 05:25 PM by illusive man
reply to post by Sinter Klaas



its indirect racisum,
since you have jewish converts and its highly (very unlikely) that every person of the jewish faith was jewish along their ancesters.

i dont group to gether or consider people of diffrent faiths as a Race of their own.

Race to me is skin colour and so on not what one believes in.


reply posted on 12-3-2010 @ 05:53 PM by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by illusive man



I do not think it is racism to point to a single group of people.

My use of the word Jew is because they are said to be descendants of the 12 tribes of Jude.
The rule for someone to be a Jew ( Only through the mother )means you can be a Jew without faith.

People convert to Judaism are called a Jew because of it. It does not make them a Jew.

Have I mentioned faith had anything to do with it ?


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 06:31 AM by illusive man
reply to post by Sinter Klaas



you dont have to mention Faith
Jewdisum is a faith

unless you believe that the world was created in 7 Days
and people of the jewish faith appeard out of thin air


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 06:53 AM by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by illusive man



Your 100 % right Judaism is a faith.

Faith on the other hand is not required to be a Jew.

The followers of Judaism are called Jews.
Then there are Jews which are Jews because of their genetic origin.

These Jews are just jews even if they became Christian or Muslim they would still remain a Jew.


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 06:46 PM by illusive man
reply to post by Sinter Klaas



i sense me and you will be going in circles
with you and me seeing two diffrent things,

agree to disagree?



reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 06:54 PM by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by illusive man



of course On the next time we meet.
I could ask for the answer. I one of the members has a Jewish background.

What do you say ?


reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 05:05 AM by illusive man
Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to
post by illusive man



of course On the next time we meet.
I could ask for the answer. I one of the members has a Jewish background.

What do you say ?


i would still refer to you to your ethnic background,
and the circle would contunue lol


reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 10:10 AM by Sinter Klaas
Originally posted by illusive man
Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to
post by illusive man



of course On the next time we meet.
I could ask for the answer. I one of the members has a Jewish background.

What do you say ?


i would still refer to you to your ethnic background,
and the circle would contunue lol


I'm sorry I made a mistake. I meant to say. I know someone here Jewish.
I'm not a Jew. I'm just your average Joe.

I'd like to go in circles by the way.

What makes you have this opinion then ? About the Jews.
I could be wrong, it's a long time ago I learned about Jews.
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