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Chinese minister insists Google obey the law

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China's top Internet regulator insisted Friday that Google must obey its laws or "pay the consequences," giving no sign of a possible compromise in their dispute over censorship and hacking.

"If you want to do something that disobeys Chinese law and regulations, you are unfriendly, you are irresponsible and you will have to pay the consequences," Li Yizhong, the minister of Industry and Information Technology, said on the sidelines of China's annual legislature.

Li gave no details of Beijing's talks with Google Inc. over the search engine's January announcement that it planned to

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Ahh the once little search engine that could.

Now Google finds itself in a face to face with the Chinese Government. What a tangle web we weave. What say you? Will they fold under the pressure and simply follow along or will they come out with some sort of agreement?



I personally find the whole Google/China thing fascinating.


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Google denies 'exit China' rumour

Search engine Google on Thursday denied it was planning to shut down its business in China by the end of the month.

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Beijing has rejected suggestions by Western security experts that China's military or government agencies might have been involved in the hacking.

"You cannot find evidence about who organizes such attacks. The Chinese government has repeatedly opposed and deterred hacking attacks," Li said.

So the Chinese Minister on one hand denies China's involvement in the attacks but says essentially "you wouldn't know if we had"! Sounds pretty fishy!

Will Google stay in China?

They have a lot to loose if they don't stay. They stand to loose a lot in market share in Asia and I doubt that is their plan. I say Google stays and learns how to work with, put up with, tolerate the CCP, in spite of Googles high principles. After all it is just business.

Hey I was reading about this earlier, it is very interesting.

Now I was trying to figure out some things, wondering why exactly there is this huge battle and what types of consequences could come from various outcomes. You know, to really get into the "meat" of the story.

Well, here is a really interesting article I found on Newsweek.

Check this out. Oh this "web" gets even more tangled and complex.

www.newsweek.com...

Interesting excerpts.

" points to a 2009 report titled "Tracking GhostNet" that he and his associate Ron Deibert authored as an example. In it they detailed the Chinese cyberspying that infected 1,295 targets in 103 countries. Several of the targets were high level and included embassies, news media organizations, and even the Dalai Lama. "

"They reached out to Ron Deibert and myself because the modus operandi of the attacks was very similar to what we discovered with GhostNet, and they wanted to know what we could share that might be applicable to their in-house investigation."

"There's some talk that this was an inside job via one of Google's Chinese offices. What's your take?

You have to look at this by analogy. The most successful fraud overall, whether it's banking, mortgage, government, whatever, is usually an inside job. That's because those on the inside have the trust, the access, and know the system well enough to cover their tracks."

"How do you think the Google versus China saga will ultimately play out?

I think the Chinese leadership is willing to sacrifice economics on the altar of politics and not losing face in this situation. But it won't be a small step to say, "Google, you can go." Note the fact that the Chinese have yet to make any significant political pronouncements on this. I think the likely outcome there will be an attempt for long-term low-key talks on this issue, hoping it will essentially go away before someone has to make a very serious decision about it."



ATS Threads (years old) by Mister Old School about GHOSTNET.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

In fact several ATS members played a LARGE ROLE in EXPOSING this Ghostnet to the world, so KUDOS to blowing the whistle guys. I am extremely proud!

Now look where we are. Google vs China. And it started a few years ago with this GHOSTNET stuff (or back further, I will have to dig). But essentially the Google and cyber security guys are claiming this stuff reeks of "Ghostnet" style of operation.

I am still trying to piece this together so any help is greatly appreciated.

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However, it's pretty difficult to spin their stance if were to change, given they said they would not tolerate censorship and Yahoo! threw in it's two-cents stating that it would stand behind Google should it decide to pull out...

Who would they have to spin it to? I figure most people aren't even aware of what is going on. The few who are might not like it but will continue to use Google.

Kinda like when jobs get sent overseas. A lot of complaining, but everybody is still buying the products the company is selling.

Google stays IMO.

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this will be intersting, I wonder how google will act... I think they should stand there ground... China has no right to dictate how a buisness operates esp an American company.,

China Calls Google’s Censorship Plan ‘Irresponsible’ (Update1)

March 12 (Bloomberg) -- China said Google Inc. would be “unfriendly and irresponsible” if it defies rules to censor online content, escalating a dispute between the government and the owner of the most popular search engine.

“The company will have to bear the related results” if rules are violated, said Li Yizhong, minister of industry and information technology, at a briefing today in Beijing. “I hope Google will abide by Chinese laws and regulations,” he said, adding that it was up to Google to decide whether to stay.

Li’s comments intensify a feud that began in January, when Google said it would stop filtering search results in China after its computers were targeted by “highly sophisticated” attacks. Google may have to bow to the demands of Chinese authorities to stay in the country, said Joseph Cheng, a professor of politics at the City University of Hong Kong.

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Ok - this is fair assessment - people have a short term memory and even though Google did say it would not condone censorship, if it decided to stay it would have to operate under China law and thus, accept/agree to some part of it (above what has already been agreed to). If that happens, than it's a bit hypocritical, but probably not much (if any) backlash.

The more interesting question is: if it is worked out, who got what out of the deal?

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if it is worked out, who got what out of the deal?

Interesting question indeed.

I can only assume that Google will get a chance to increase its market share, while the Chinese continue to dictate the terms.

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