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Topic started on 12-3-2010 @ 02:26 PM by karl 12

Very interesting interview with Colonel Grundmanem (former head of Poland's 'Air Traffic, Air Force and Air Defense') who explains how Poland's UFO files went 'missing' - he also makes a very interesting statement about an unknown object executing right angle turns during a 1955 Warsaw Pact exercise.

Poland UFO Disclosure - Col. Grundmanem say "We lost the file"

The Polish disclosure, was the UFO file lost or stolen?

We post this with big smile and with an accent "Canada release the UFO files, Britan released the UFO files, Poland lost the UFO files..."

Many new facts about UFO data gathering in this unique disclosure interview with Col. Grundmanem, the former head of "Air Traffic, Air Force and Air Defense", who was responsible for gathering reports regarding UFOs.

The Polish air forces gather and analyze PRL reports on the pilots' meetings with unidentified flying objects. In the folder named "The Unknown" gathered dozens of reports. In the 1990's Invaluable data disappeared.

This is an Interview with Col. Ryszard Grundmanem. Col. Grundmanem was the former head of "Air Traffic, Air Force and Air Defense", who gathered reports regarding UFOs...

Statement taken from interview:

"During the 1955 Warsaw Pact exercises, a radar station in the area of Warsaw recognized two targets over the Gulf of Gdansk. The targets were moving at a speed of 2,300 km/h at an altitude of 20 thousand meters. In those days there was no aircraft with such performance. At one point it was noticed that the two objects did a 90 degrees turn, literally on the spot with no turning radius. This maneuver at such high speeds cannot be done. Most modern aircraft are unable to do so even today, and that was 50 years ago".

Col. Grundmanem

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reply posted on 12-3-2010 @ 02:52 PM by QuantumDeath

How could one just "Lose" government documents? They have a huge archive of documents, although I would think government archives to be more like a library of files.

When it is documented and kept, it is usually left alone until someone looks at it.

My thoughts on this, some agency in the US listened in and found out that Poland was going to release their X-files. I bet threats were made in order to keep it out of the light.

My 2 cents

reply posted on 12-3-2010 @ 03:57 PM by cripmeister

Hmm were they running Windows 3.1?

Seriously.

reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 12:41 AM by ReelView

OK, How many pollacks does it take to loose a disclosure file?

reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 02:13 AM by jdmmade

WOW, smart move Poland. I think you just signed your life support away. You are officially off the list of making any top secret deals with any Government.

reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 02:34 AM by MaxBlack

Missing files could have been copied or hasn't Poland ever heard of a copier? On the other hand, a time line manipulation could have just taken place. Someone with the technology, sees the future and that Poland released UFO files. They know the date and as such because the present is the past to the future seen, someone steals the file and or as one poster stated, could have threatened some member or all of them to include their families if it went public.
Either way, the file is gone and here we are without it. Let's hope it shows up.

reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 02:48 PM by TeslaandLyne

Poland is still in between the haves and the have nots.
Germany has the UFO as evident in Triangles going over the
western border of Belgium.

So if Poland had UFO information then Russian might be in the
confiscating mood.

Does Russia have any UFO information.
Only a few on youtube lately.
Not enough for ATSers to say lights in the sky are UFOs.
Its almost as if Russia is trying to say look we have UFOs too.
Its not going to work.
The same people who made them still control them.
All on our side.

reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 03:31 PM by Magnus47

All this secrecy around UFO's is just left over from 50 years ago, when everybody thought it might be the Soviets. Everybody knows it's not the Soviets. This continued secrecy is absurd and completely unjustified today.

reply posted on 10-4-2010 @ 09:47 AM by DarkElvis

The Polish government "lost" those files and nine months later this happens:

news.yahoo.com...

Polish leader, 95 others dead in Russia jet crash

MOSCOW – Polish President Lech Kaczynski and some of the country's highest military and civilian leaders died on Saturday when the presidential plane crashed as it came in for a landing in thick fog in western Russia, killing 96, officials said.

Russian and Polish officials said there were no survivors on the 26-year-old Tupolev, which was taking the president, his wife and staff to events marking the 70th anniversary of the massacre in Katyn forest of thousands of Polish officers by Soviet secret police.

The crash devastated the upper echelons of Poland's political and military establishments. On board were the army chief of staff, national bank president, deputy foreign minister, army chaplain, head of the National Security Office, deputy parliament speaker, civil rights commissioner and at least two presidential aides and three lawmakers, the Polish foreign ministry said.

(The rest of the story is on the link above)

Could this be related?

reply posted on 10-4-2010 @ 08:42 PM by Magnus47

Not to mention a possible sighting of multiple UFO's over Poland only a few days ago:

Amazing 7 UFOs flying slowly over Poland

Granted, they look a bit like chinese lanterns, but the timing is interesting.

reply posted on 11-4-2010 @ 12:53 AM by Goethe

I wonder if it was on that plane..........

reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 09:24 AM by karl 12

Thanks for the replies, here's a great thread by Internos featuring the work of Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos who has created quite a detailed list of UFO material released by different governments:

The state-of-art in UFO disclosure worldwide

I still don't know what happened to Poland's UFO files though.