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Poland's UFO files go missing.

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posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 02:26 PM
Very interesting interview with Colonel Grundmanem (former head of Poland's 'Air Traffic, Air Force and Air Defense') who explains how Poland's UFO files went missing -he also makes a very interesting statement about unknown objects being confirmed on radar and executing right angle turns over the Gulf of Gdansk during a Warsaw Pact exercise in 1955.

Poland UFO Disclosure - Col. Grundmanem say "We lost the file"

The Polish disclosure, was the UFO file lost or stolen?

We post this with big smile and with an accent "Canada release the UFO files, Britan released the UFO files, Poland lost the UFO files..."

Many new facts about UFO data gathering in this unique disclosure interview with Col. Grundmanem, the former head of "Air Traffic, Air Force and Air Defense", who was responsible for gathering reports regarding UFOs.

The Polish air forces gather and analyze PRL reports on the pilots' meetings with unidentified flying objects. In the folder named "The Unknown" gathered dozens of reports. In the 1990's Invaluable data disappeared.

This is an Interview with Col. Ryszard Grundmanem. Col. Grundmanem was the former head of "Air Traffic, Air Force and Air Defense", who gathered reports regarding UFOs...

Statement taken from interview:

"During the 1955 Warsaw Pact exercises, a radar station in the area of Warsaw recognized two targets over the Gulf of Gdansk. The targets were moving at a speed of 2,300 km/h at an altitude of 20 thousand meters. In those days there was no aircraft with such performance. At one point it was noticed that the two objects did a 90 degrees turn, literally on the spot with no turning radius. This maneuver at such high speeds cannot be done. Most modern aircraft are unable to do so even today, and that was 50 years ago".

Col. Grundmanem


edit on 20-10-2014 by karl 12 because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 02:52 PM
How could one just "Lose" government documents? They have a huge archive of documents, although I would think government archives to be more like a library of files.

When it is documented and kept, it is usually left alone until someone looks at it.

My thoughts on this, some agency in the US listened in and found out that Poland was going to release their X-files. I bet threats were made in order to keep it out of the light.

My 2 cents

posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:57 PM
Hmm were they running Windows 3.1?


posted on Mar, 13 2010 @ 12:41 AM
OK, How many pollacks does it take to loose a disclosure file?

posted on Mar, 13 2010 @ 02:13 AM
WOW, smart move Poland. I think you just signed your life support away. You are officially off the list of making any top secret deals with any Government.

posted on Mar, 13 2010 @ 02:34 AM
Missing files could have been copied or hasn't Poland ever heard of a copier? On the other hand, a time line manipulation could have just taken place. Someone with the technology, sees the future and that Poland released UFO files. They know the date and as such because the present is the past to the future seen, someone steals the file and or as one poster stated, could have threatened some member or all of them to include their families if it went public.
Either way, the file is gone and here we are without it. Let's hope it shows up.

posted on Mar, 13 2010 @ 02:48 PM
Poland is still in between the haves and the have nots.
Germany has the UFO as evident in Triangles going over the
western border of Belgium.

So if Poland had UFO information then Russian might be in the
confiscating mood.

Does Russia have any UFO information.
Only a few on youtube lately.
Not enough for ATSers to say lights in the sky are UFOs.
Its almost as if Russia is trying to say look we have UFOs too.
Its not going to work.
The same people who made them still control them.
All on our side.

posted on Mar, 13 2010 @ 03:31 PM
All this secrecy around UFO's is just left over from 50 years ago, when everybody thought it might be the Soviets. Everybody knows it's not the Soviets. This continued secrecy is absurd and completely unjustified today.

posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 09:47 AM
The Polish government "lost" those files and nine months later this happens:

Polish leader, 95 others dead in Russia jet crash

MOSCOW – Polish President Lech Kaczynski and some of the country's highest military and civilian leaders died on Saturday when the presidential plane crashed as it came in for a landing in thick fog in western Russia, killing 96, officials said.

Russian and Polish officials said there were no survivors on the 26-year-old Tupolev, which was taking the president, his wife and staff to events marking the 70th anniversary of the massacre in Katyn forest of thousands of Polish officers by Soviet secret police.

The crash devastated the upper echelons of Poland's political and military establishments. On board were the army chief of staff, national bank president, deputy foreign minister, army chaplain, head of the National Security Office, deputy parliament speaker, civil rights commissioner and at least two presidential aides and three lawmakers, the Polish foreign ministry said.

(The rest of the story is on the link above)

Could this be related?

posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 08:42 PM
Not to mention a possible sighting of multiple UFO's over Poland only a few days ago:

Amazing 7 UFOs flying slowly over Poland

Granted, they look a bit like chinese lanterns, but the timing is interesting.

posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 12:53 AM
I wonder if it was on that plane..........

posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:24 AM
Thanks for the replies, here's a great thread by Internos featuring the work of Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos who has created quite a detailed list of UFO material released by different governments:

The state-of-art in UFO disclosure worldwide

I still don't know what happened to Poland's UFO files though.

posted on Sep, 21 2014 @ 12:30 AM
New address for defunct link (sourced by Xtraeme).

Poland UFO Disclosure - Col. Grundmanem say "We lost the file

posted on Oct, 20 2014 @ 11:58 PM
Triangle and Boomerangs reported over Poland - 2013-14:

Wave of Flying Triangles and Boomerangs Over Poland: UFOs or Secret NATO Crafts?

In 2013-14 Polish UFO researchers received numerous reports about unidentified aerial devices in form of triangles and boomerangs. Being silent, often camouflaged and active only at night, those objects were breaking basic safety rules and posing potential danger to citizens. Numerous anomalous elements mentioned by witnesses are paired with fact that most sightings took place in vicinity of large military installations. That arise question whether we deal with something of human origin, connected with civil war on Ukraine or the new face of UFO phenomenon.

Increased activity of triangular/boomerang-shaped UFOs in Poland began in the spring 2013 although occasional sightings of the same characteristics took place in earlier years. A debate about origins of those objects was born amongst Polish UFO researchers. Unfortunately mainstream TV, press and officials (both civil and military) keep silent despite fact that many incidents took place in close vicinity of military installations and some witnesses were of army background.

Summary of Sightings:

The following summary lists the most interesting sightings of triangular/boomerang-shaped UFOs from period 2013-2014 and includes also four earlier cases worth of attention. They were reported to: Piotr Cielebias and Michał Kusnierz, Arkadiusz Miazga, Damian Trela, Arkadiusz Kocik and Bogdan Zabielski. The summary was compiled from reports and witness accounts published or archived by mentioned researchers.

• Sandomierz (swietokrzyskie), October 31st 2008, 6:10 pm

• Wikłow area, (lodzkie), September 16th 2010, 22:30:

• Poznan, Lazarz district (wielkopolskie), February 14th, 6 pm

• Hrubieszow (lubelskie), August 20th 2011, before 5 pm

• Biala (dolnoslaskie), April 2013, evening

• Lubliniec (slaskie), August 3rd 2013, ~ 10 pm

• Losice (mazowieckie), August 3rd 2013, ~ 10 pm

• Dobrzykowice (dolnoslaskie), August 3rd 2013, ~ 11 pm

• Elizowka (lubelskie), August 14th 2013

• Pabianice (lodzkie), October 13th 2013, midnight:

• Goldap (warminsko-mazurskie), April 26th 2013, 1:30 am

• Szczecin (zachodniopomorskie), middle of May, ~ 11 pm

• Grudziadz (kujawsko-pomorskie), August 3rd 2014, 2 am

• Legnica (dolnoslaske), August 6th 2014, 11 pm

• Piekary Slaskie, Brzozowice district (slaskie), September 20th 2014, ~8 pm


posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 04:50 AM
a reply to: karl 12

Nice find. The imploding triangle was especialy fascinating. I don't remember running into that particular detail before.

Speaking of Poland and triangles it reminded me of an exceptional Finnish sighting of a black triangle. How is that related to Poland? The person researching it asked for opinions from some international colleagues of his. A polish ufologist said among other things that these triangles are seen also in Poland and especialy between October and November. Now, that's some pretty 4th hand information but I wonder if it's true, and if so, why?

The witness report in question is actually readable in English as it was posted by a Dutch person who lives in Finland. This is the report and it's actually quite a worthwhile read. The researcher's comments ("tutkijakommentit") are unfortunately only in Finnish. Basicaly they are about how the report is admirably detailed, how it's unusual that the object flew "backwards", how they asked ufologists from other countries about this behaviour and also tell about a possible similar sighting in Finland from 1952 and if it could have been a cloud formation or not.

That's a bit off-topic, but the Polish ufologists' comments on the Finnish sighting made me wonder that maybe Poland has gotten it's fair share of triangular visitors before the current wave. They must have gotten a fair bit of sighting reports to derive some sort of pattern from it...

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