Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Porn is good. Sex is good.
The linking between sex and guilt is false. It is used to control you and make you feel guilty for thinking about, looking at, and engaging in sex. A long time ago, the elite discovered they could control the masses through their sex organs and the emotion of guilt. The Sex Scam has been running full steam ever since, robbing millions of sexual enjoyment.
Sex is the reason people exist. It is definitely not bad.

Pornography is an aspect of human depravity. It is against the laws of God fundamentally because it reduces the dignity of all of the parties involved. It harms all relationships by fostering unrealistic standards, numbing our sense of decency, and alienating us from one another. It is not surprising that in the aggregate it is geting more and more raw as depravity typically runs this way.

I have the right to disagree with you. Please spare me your complaints about God and those who believe in God that we are trying to control you. Not possible. Further, please spare me your common complaints that pointing this out is another conspriarcy by the ptb and religion to control you keep you from having fun. IMO, this is a lie you tell youself.

[edit on 12-3-2010 by pumpkinorange]

The Downside of Porn is that it tends to lure people into thinking that 5 seconds of climaxing at a bunch of Pixels can somehow substitute the depth of a real-life Relationship.

I think if you are already mostly mentally healthy, porn can be helpful in relieving stress. It is natural to enjoy it as it is the way we were created.

Porn, just like violent video games can lead susceptible people down unhealthy paths.

We are not all created the same. For some it can be bad for others just an enjoyable experience.

Porn has helped me out in my long years in the Middle East. Although we cannot have relations with the local Iraqi women we have porn as a substitute however there are certain rules that apply as far as keeping it on the "down low" and not show porn to local nationals for fear of angering the communities and increase attacks on us. In other words porn is the problem and solution to some of life problems.

"and in those countries that allowed for the possession of child pornography, child sex abuse has declined."

So are they saying it is a good idea to let CP become mainstream as it is protecting children. So were does it come from in the first place.

Just shows were we are when even the mere thought of this as a way to protect children is touted.

I know of a young man who is too handicapped to ever be likely to have a relationship, yet he feels the urge, just like any other guy.

Luckily, he learned, from a young age, to take care of his urges himself.
He grabs his favourite porn, the K-Mart bra ads, hides them under his pillow, and wanks off to them at night. Deprived of these, his behaviour goes downhill fast, and he needs to be kept on sedatives. (His syndrome is known to cause violent and irrational behaviour.)

A regular orgasm is good for people's physical and emotional health. If some media, which is made by consenting adults and harms no-one, helps with this, it is beneficial. (Unless it becomes an addiction.)

Humans are sexual creatures. It is important that different people be allowed to be sexual in their different ways. (With the natural proviso that it is between consenting adults and no harm is done.)

Originally posted by mamabeth

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I am sorry,but porn is not good for us...
1.Portrays women as sex objects.

Porn portays people having sex. Both parties.

If there is such a thing as a "sex object," wouldn't it be members of the opposite sex(if you're heterosexual)? It's not like porn came a long and said, "hey guys, it turns out you can have sex with women." Porn is the way it is because people are sexual beings. We see attractive members of the opposite sex and automatically percieve them in a sexual way.

Sexual attraction and fantasy is a natural and unavoidable aspect of being a sexually mature human. It's not something that porn created. Porn is an extension of something very natural.

2.Gives adolescent girls a negative view about their bodies and shape.
Not everyone can look like a centerfold!

Society and culture on an absolutely ubiquitous scale shapes our sense of beauty, and tells us what we "should" look like if we want to be attractive. Porn is a follower and not a leader in this department. Primetime tv, Hollywood, and magazines all contribute in a major way to this "constructed" concept of what is beautiful. Pornographers look for actors and actresses who already fit the bill that society has developed.

Adolescent girls develope their definition of attractiveness is by look at the media that they are constantly bombarded with, not by seeing a Playboy behind the counter at a gas station.

3.In my opinion,porn leads to other sexual deviations.

But the point of the article in OP is that this is a common misconception, and they have data to show that it leads to a reduction or lack of increase in sexual deviations in the cases that were studied.

4.Reduces the sex act to the animal level,not an expression of love.

Sex already is both an act of love and and something very primal and animalistic. Look at the animals. We do the same thing except when it's with someone special it means something special. It's still the birds and the bees, too.

Men and women masterbate with or without porn, and people have meaningless sex with our without porn. The part of sex that is an expression of love goes unchallanged by the fact sometimes sex is a matter of superficial gratification.

As for the idea that porn is an addiction: Things are not addictions. Addictions are people + addictive behavior + object of addiction. Without the addictive behavior, there is no addiction. Someone can casually use alcohol, or even much harder street drugs. These same substances are often the objects of addiction. There are more components than the thing itself to addiction. Porn is an addiction to people who are addicted to it. If it is used in a way that is not dysfunctional, it has the same status as the internet or alcohol: you are not addicted to them - so they are not addictions - unless you are presenting addictive behavior.

But, in the end, the point of the OP is that more porn can be corrolated with less sexual deviance. Aren't all of the points you made moot if that is true? Isn't it better to have less harmful action, even if we have to allow for some distasteful behavior behind closed doors? If there really are less sex crimes when more people watch porn, isn't that a tradeoff you would be willing to make?

But, in the end, the point of the OP is that more porn can be corrolated with less sexual deviance. Aren't all of the points you made moot if that is true? Isn't it better to have less harmful action, even if we have to allow for some distasteful behavior behind closed doors? If there really are less sex crimes when more people watch porn, isn't that a tradeoff you would be willing to make?

May i ask if this is just aimed at adult+adult porn.


If i have misunderstood what you have posted i apologise, just wanted to clarify the above.

Originally posted by mamabeth
I am sorry,but porn is not good for us...
1.Portrays women as sex objects.

And men too right?! RIGHT?! Of course men too. Takes 2 to tango.

Originally posted by mamabeth
2.Gives adolescent girls a negative view about their bodies and shape.
Not everyone can look like a centerfold!

There's fat porn, midget porn, old people porn, ethnic porn. They are not all 10's ya know. Fashion magazines are more of a target for this argument.

Originally posted by mamabeth
3.In my opinion,porn leads to other sexual deviations.

Such as.....

Originally posted by mamabeth
4.Reduces the sex act to the animal level,not an expression of love.
I understand that some men can't have a normal relationship.These
porn magazines do help in releasing their pent up passions that they
can't seem to control!

For some it helps.

Originally posted by muons200
May i ask if this is just aimed at adult+adult porn.

I think it is undoubtedly true when applied to adult+adult porn. Trading porn for less criminal sexual deviance is a trade I am willing to make.

I'm too freaked out by the idea of child porn to say the same thing in that case, but I don't think we can dismiss the ethical debate on the face of it.

If it can be shown that we have a choice between (1) on the one hand allowing people to possess child porn and in exchange they commit less sex crimes against children or (2) we don't allow them to possess child porn, but then the rates of sex crimes against children increase . . . I'm not sure that the answer is immediately clear.

Clearly the ideal situation is that both child porn and any sexual misconduct towards a child is strongly criminalized, with strict enforcement and severe punishment. And I think that that is more or less the reality now, except we know that both child porn and sexual misconduct towards children still exist.

So, if we admit that the ideal situation is unrealistic, I think that the best we can do is try to minimize harm. I think that the situation which most effectively reduces harm - *within the scenario that I have described above( the choice)* - is to permit possession( and strictly criminalize production/creation) of child porn. If the possession of the porn can be shown to undeniably decrease the number of acts of sexual misconduct towards children, then I think it is an acceptable trade off. For child porn that already exists, the harm has already been done in its creation and the victims are only those who were involved in the production. If this piece of material which already exists can be made legal to possess, and the outcome is that there are less children who are victimized in the future, I have to think - despite the fact that this makes me sickeningly uncomfortable - that this would be a desirable state of affairs.

If we seek to minimze harm, I think that this is the best possible solution. (Within the proposed scenario( the choice described in my 3rd paragraph), which the article in the OP suggests may be the reality. If it's untrue that child porn reduces sex crimes against chilren, then the position described above would obviously be incorrect.)

I will have little tolerance for any inappropriate or glaringly inaccurate interpretations of my discussion in any responses. I will immediately "alert" the mods to any personal attacks. If you look carefully at what I have said you will find nothing but a complete rejection of child abuse, and only a very reluctant and well thought out conclusion. If you don't read what I have writen carefully, you are likely to misinterpret me; please do not.

Mods, please do not tolerate anyone who would intentionally warp the thrust of my discussion by claiming that I support or advocate anything which I clearly do not. This is a fairly sensitive subject, and rightly so, and the potential for abuse - especially with regard to the uncomfortable position which I have taken - is high. Deny ignorance.

As someone who runs several porn sites.......its good for my bank balance

First let me say i was not trying to bend or show what you said in any innacrerate way. If this is how it came across i apologise.

The reason i asked is that the original post mentioned adult and CP, that is the only reason i ask for clarrification. Thankyou for explaining the part i did not fully understand.

There is one thing i will say, is that even tho the CP has already been produced and is out there. A lot of victims have major issues with this fact, if it was in any way made legal to posses.
This would casue a lot of harm to people as the idea that someone is using the material in the way they would be, and with the ok of the country they live in. Even tho the person who is in the images is now an adult, it would be like a kick in the face.

I understand that this is a very, very delicate subject. But if we are to talk about it, every angle and opinions must be heard and talked about.

sorry did not see your secon post. I have no problem with adult porn with willing people. That is in my opinion ok.

Originally posted by Maddogkull
Welcome to 2010 Mamabeth. Better start getting use to it. It is not going to change anytime soon.

Well i know masterbation is actually healthy, so porn must go hand in hand.

I agree Maddogkull, I was told years ago by a doctor to "keep the tube cleaned out," or face problems in the future. I followed his advice, and clean the tube, either by the sex act with my wife, or manually, which she knows about and is OK with. I consider this a healthy sexual relationship for both of us, as does she. We own a porn site together, (see profile) her and I, and people who like to view our content can do so for a price, like many other places on the www. By the way, I am 56 years old, and my prostate gland is normal size, no enlargement at all. And I can still go twice a day, if necessary. Thanks to Dr. Hallick, may he rest in peace.

Porn is certainly better for mankind then religion is. If the porn session involves consenting adults with all responsible measures and precautions taken, there is NO harm done. On the contrary, Religion, and the whole "all others are evil" nonsense breeds hate and division (and MUCH worst behavior recorded throughout history). I personally hope to see the day religion is banned. Responsible consenting porn is HARMLESS and nonetheless pleasurable, calorie burning activity. Only brainwashed cult victims that believe in silly fairy tales will say otherwise.