Why do humans believe in an afterlife?

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posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by manbird12000
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You are free to stay in the cave and wait for others to bring you proof of the world outside your mind. You seem to enjoy the fact that this will never happen. Therefore you feel just fine thinking the way you do knowing that nothing can ever refute it, after all, you are completely locked into the 3rd dimension. That is until you are taking your last breath or you have been gifted with seeing the light, like me and many others have. The numbers are growing every day. And it's NOT a religion.

However, why on Earth would I feel obligated to tell a nonseeker anything? You don't want to peek outside your mental reality and see what's on the other side. Fine by me.

In the end, those who haven't seen already, will see.

Please don't think you have to convince me that you are just fine where you are. You're right. You ARE there.

[edit on 12-3-2010 by manbird12000]

I never said there isn't an afterlife, I said there is no evidence for one.
Why do you believe in something that you have no reason to believe in? Fear? You have a mentality that I'm somebody out to prove that there's no afterlife, that's not true, I'm all for an afterlife, I just don't think its likely considering we know intricite brain processes and the magnitude of other brain related phenomon.
Still waiting for any real evidence that isn't conjecture and fantasy.

[edit on 12-3-2010 by hippomchippo]




posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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I've seen the afterlife and that is proof enough to me.To be honest with you, I have no clue how to bring back higher energy into the 3rd dimension to prove that it exists. That is not the purpose of our lives. We must each take our own seeking journey to see the truth.

I do, know how to manifest realities in the 3rd dimension but I need a LOT more work to do. It might take me a few years, it might take me a couple of lifetimes. NOt sure..don't care. I enjoy the process and that is what frees me to see above the 3rd.

There is only one way you're going to see above your 3rd dimension. Eyes closed, mouth shut, motives and Ego gone, Meditation for as long as it takes you.

You will then see in no uncertain terms, that God and all of his creation is looking right at you . What I'm trying to tell anybody who has not done what is required to SEE it, is that there is no way your going to "see" it, until you're on your last breath or when you THINK you are.

It's the seeking that reduces the amount of times you have to come back to earth and live out lives. We have to Ascend and grow our minds and intelligence. That will never happen as long as we live in memory and repeat what we are told.





[edit on 12-3-2010 by manbird12000]



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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To OP:

The heaviest testimony I regard when pondering the afterlife is testimony from the scores of people who have been there and come back. Specifically, people who have had N.D.E.s.



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by manbird12000
reply to post by hippomchippo
 


I've seen the afterlife and that is proof enough to me.To be honest with you, I have no clue how to bring back higher energy into the 3rd dimension to prove that it exists. That is not the purpose of our lives. We must each take our own seeking journey to see the truth.

I do, know how to manifest realities in the 3rd dimension but I need a LOT more work to do. It might take me a few years, it might take me a couple of lifetimes. NOt sure..don't care. I enjoy the process and that is what frees me to see above the 3rd.

There is only one way you're going to see above your 3rd dimension. Eyes closed, mouth shut, motives and Ego gone, Meditation for as long as it takes you.

You will then see in no uncertain terms, that God and all of his creation is looking right at you . What I'm trying to tell anybody who has not done what is required to SEE it, is that there is no way your going to "see" it, until you're on your last breath or when you THINK you are.

It's the seeking that reduces the amount of times you have to come back to earth and live out lives. We have to Ascend and grow our minds and intelligence. That will never happen as long as we live in memory and repeat what we are told.





[edit on 12-3-2010 by manbird12000]

How have you seen the afterlife? Elaborate.
And also, when all you can say is NO NO NO YOUR EYES ARE CLOSED it makes me think you don't know how to explain what you're talking about.

[edit on 12-3-2010 by hippomchippo]



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by JaxonRoberts
 

To OP:

The heaviest testimony I regard when pondering the afterlife is testimony from the scores of people who have been there and come back. Specifically, people who have had N.D.E.s.


Sadly, nobody believes people who have seen it. That's the big joke about dealing with dimensions above and below your current one.

It's easy to see the one dimension below yours, and with a little work, you can see the one above. But to be able to extrapolate to the next requires much more meditation and quieting of the mind.

Seeing above the 3rd Dimension brings light to the Source. (pun intended), you can only bring that light back to the 3rd dimension using Love and Compassion. That's the only thing I found that actually works.



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:33 PM
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I did not choose to believe in the afterlife.

Once I saw a ghost, whom was capable of what looked like "thinking" and it even appeared to observe me, caused me to reconsider this whole issue.

Due to the existence of the ghost I saw, I have no choice but to conclude some form of Afterlife must exist.

The details of how the afterlife works, I have no clue. But I do know one thing for sure.

I saw a floating dead little boy who saw me and called out to me, and I ran scared crapless so fast. You can imagine how freaked out I was!



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
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Due to the existence of the ghost I saw, I have no choice but to conclude some form of Afterlife must exist.

There's the problem, you're assuming that this ghost you saw( I can't comment on your own experiences) is infact dead. When all you really know is you saw a boy who called your name who appeared in a different way than most people, for all we know, it's a rip in time and that boy is simply being transported through time for an instant, theres even stories of people doing it in our time, en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:40 PM
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How about this. Try to put some energy towards finding out about your universe. From one human to another, you can not reach this goal hearing tales from the outside world. It just doesn't work that way.

Seeing the after life is nothing but a change in conscience perception. The brain is the only thing (at least I know of) that can receive, interpret and transmit light energy. Therefore, it is within the conscience mind that you see or (witness) the dimensions. I the only 3rd dimensional way I know of "seeing' these dimensions, is through the use of controlling and or increasing brainwave vibrations. This is done by meditation.


It is beyond me, how anyone could ever think they can learn the truth by just reading about it. That's like watching t.v. and never leaving the house!

Once you put effort into seeking your own truth, then you will find what you are looking for. What can I say? I see what I see. What do you want to know?

[edit on 12-3-2010 by manbird12000]



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by manbird12000
reply to post by hippomchippo
 


How about this. Try to put some energy towards finding out about your universe. From one human to another, you can not reach this goal hearing tales from the outside world. It just doesn't work that way.

Seeing the after life is nothing but a change in conscience perception. The brain is the only thing (at least I know of) that can receive, interpret and transmit light energy. Therefore, it is within the conscience mind that you see or (witness) the dimensions. I the only 3rd dimensional way I know of "seeing' these dimensions, is through the use of controlling and or increasing brainwave vibrations. This is done by meditation.


It is beyond me, how anyone could ever think they can learn the truth by just reading about it. That's like watching t.v. and never leaving the house!

Once you put effort into seeking your own truth, then you will find what you are looking for. What can I say? I see what I see. What do you want to know?

[edit on 12-3-2010 by manbird12000]

Meditation is nothing but the easing of the mind and thinking incredibly clear, there's no reason to believe otherwise than to feel special.
You talk about brainwave vibrations like it's a real thing too, which is funny.



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by JaxonRoberts
 



Due to the existence of the ghost I saw, I have no choice but to conclude some form of Afterlife must exist.

There's the problem, you're assuming that this ghost you saw( I can't comment on your own experiences) is infact dead. When all you really know is you saw a boy who called your name who appeared in a different way than most people, for all we know, it's a rip in time and that boy is simply being transported through time for an instant, theres even stories of people doing it in our time, en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 12-3-2010 by hippomchippo]


The "Afterlife" is only a term used in this world. There is no such thing as after life in the Truth.

A cell in your body thinks that it is a being in it's own right. It might worry about "the here after" but it truly does not matter. Once it dies, it will realize that its small conscience was just a small part of the human mind conscience, which is a small part of the higher conscience body...etc.. all the way to the Source.

Once you witness it, it becomes common sense. After all, why would I deny a tree that is in front of me?



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by manbird12000
reply to post by hippomchippo
 


How about this. Try to put some energy towards finding out about your universe. From one human to another, you can not reach this goal hearing tales from the outside world. It just doesn't work that way.

Seeing the after life is nothing but a change in conscience perception. The brain is the only thing (at least I know of) that can receive, interpret and transmit light energy. Therefore, it is within the conscience mind that you see or (witness) the dimensions. I the only 3rd dimensional way I know of "seeing' these dimensions, is through the use of controlling and or increasing brainwave vibrations. This is done by meditation.


It is beyond me, how anyone could ever think they can learn the truth by just reading about it. That's like watching t.v. and never leaving the house!

Once you put effort into seeking your own truth, then you will find what you are looking for. What can I say? I see what I see. What do you want to know?

[edit on 12-3-2010 by manbird12000]

Meditation is nothing but the easing of the mind and thinking incredibly clear, there's no reason to believe otherwise than to feel special.
You talk about brainwave vibrations like it's a real thing too, which is funny.


I think you should stop before you embarrass yourself. You should do some homework in this area of conversation before commenting.

You remind me of a farmer that walks into a Microsoft board room meeting and says "they is no such thing as a stock market!"

Information and techniques on Brainwave vibration and the powers of meditation are easily accessible.


We have an infinite vault of information available on this internet, all you have to do is type on the keyboard and a whole new world can open up to you.






[edit on 12-3-2010 by manbird12000]



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by manbird12000

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by JaxonRoberts
 



Due to the existence of the ghost I saw, I have no choice but to conclude some form of Afterlife must exist.

There's the problem, you're assuming that this ghost you saw( I can't comment on your own experiences) is infact dead. When all you really know is you saw a boy who called your name who appeared in a different way than most people, for all we know, it's a rip in time and that boy is simply being transported through time for an instant, theres even stories of people doing it in our time, en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 12-3-2010 by hippomchippo]


The "Afterlife" is only a term used in this world. There is no such thing as after life in the Truth.

A cell in your body thinks that it is a being in it's own right. It might worry about "the here after" but it truly does not matter. Once it dies, it will realize that its small conscience was just a small part of the human mind conscience, which is a small part of the higher conscience body...etc.. all the way to the Source.

Once you witness it, it becomes common sense. After all, why would I deny a tree that is in front of me?

Where's your evidence that a cell thinks to begin with?
You're making vast assumptions to try to prove something as massive as the afterlife?
Once again, new age mumbo jumbo won't prove anything. But I'm going to leave as this argument is circular, just be sure that you'll never see me at one of your thousand dollar chakra healing classes, and for good reasons.



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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hippomchippo, I could care less about what you believe. That's for you to live with, not me.

I wish you the best.



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by manbird12000
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hippomchippo, I could care less about what you believe. That's for you to live with, not me.

I wish you the best.

And I you, it was interesting to debate with you.



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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Why is it that people who believe in life after death are the ones who are scared or do not have any proof? Couldn't it very well be that people who do not believe in life after death could be scared as well? Could it be true that neither are scared? Yes, all of the above are possible.

Here are reasons I believe in it:
Reincarnation
Hypnosis regression
Hypnosis progression
Past-life remembering
OBE's/Astral projection (I have experienced this)
NDE's - Case studies show similar occurrences in those who "die" and then come back to life.

Here is the evidence I have that it does not exist

..............................

So, I am respectful of those who disagree with my opinion, and that is what makes us different, yet the same. My challenge is, enlighten me WHY there CANNOT be life after death. I would like to see proof. Just like some of you ask for proof that it does exist, I am asking for proof it does not. I have not seen any evidence that supports the claim that nothing exists after death. Our physical body definitely doesn't, but I believe all of us can agree on that. That is not the issue of this thread. I would like to see proof that everything goes empty and nothing happens at all.

After all, why do people have to prove there is life after death when there isn't any proof there isn't life after death?



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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The simplest answer is that we cannot imagine not existing. You can imagine the time before you were born far easier than you can the world after you are gone.



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by hippomchippo
it's a rip in time and that boy is simply being transported through time for an instant


That is hocus pocus mumbo jumbo. IMHO.

You are assuming time can "rip".

Prove it. Show me one real world case *documented* where time ripped???

You CANT.

That is nothing more than your theory.

In fact I think the "time traveler theory" is far more absurd and unlikely, than the simple "dead people/electromagnetic echo" theories.



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by Subconsciously Correct
Why is it that people who believe in life after death are the ones who are scared or do not have any proof? Couldn't it very well be that people who do not believe in life after death could be scared as well? Could it be true that neither are scared? Yes, all of the above are possible.

Here are reasons I believe in it:
Reincarnation
Hypnosis regression
Hypnosis progression
Past-life remembering
OBE's/Astral projection (I have experienced this)
NDE's - Case studies show similar occurrences in those who "die" and then come back to life.

Here is the evidence I have that it does not exist

..............................

So, I am respectful of those who disagree with my opinion, and that is what makes us different, yet the same. My challenge is, enlighten me WHY there CANNOT be life after death. I would like to see proof. Just like some of you ask for proof that it does exist, I am asking for proof it does not. I have not seen any evidence that supports the claim that nothing exists after death. Our physical body definitely doesn't, but I believe all of us can agree on that. That is not the issue of this thread. I would like to see proof that everything goes empty and nothing happens at all.

After all, why do people have to prove there is life after death when there isn't any proof there isn't life after death?

You can't prove a negative, therefore it's obvious that you shouldnt have evidence against the afterlife.
But actually, there is, it's our brain, our brain contains all of who we are, so when our brain goes kaput, so does all of who we are.
NDEs have been recreated in lab tests with centrifuges, so I would discount that.
Reincarnation has not been proven, so I don't know why you think that's evidence.
Past life remembering could be explained through a global conscious, where a person may for a moment get a memory from someone else due to the connection we all have together.
It's not my job to disprove your ridiculous theories, it's your job to prove them.

[edit on 12-3-2010 by hippomchippo]



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by hippomchippo
it's a rip in time and that boy is simply being transported through time for an instant


That is hocus pocus mumbo jumbo. IMHO.

You are assuming time can "rip".

Prove it. Show me one real world case *documented* where time ripped???

You CANT.

That is nothing more than your theory.

In fact I think the "time traveler theory" is far more absurd and unlikely, than the simple "dead people/electromagnetic echo" theories.


I never once said I believed it, don't assume things.
I said it would be an equally adequate explanation for ghosts as the dead coming alive again.
You're really showing your ignorance.
And for the record, I also think its hocus pocus


[edit on 12-3-2010 by hippomchippo]



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by Subconsciously Correct
Why is it that people who believe in life after death are the ones who are scared or do not have any proof? Couldn't it very well be that people who do not believe in life after death could be scared as well? Could it be true that neither are scared? Yes, all of the above are possible.

Here are reasons I believe in it:
Reincarnation
Hypnosis regression
Hypnosis progression
Past-life remembering
OBE's/Astral projection (I have experienced this)
NDE's - Case studies show similar occurrences in those who "die" and then come back to life.

Here is the evidence I have that it does not exist

..............................

So, I am respectful of those who disagree with my opinion, and that is what makes us different, yet the same. My challenge is, enlighten me WHY there CANNOT be life after death. I would like to see proof. Just like some of you ask for proof that it does exist, I am asking for proof it does not. I have not seen any evidence that supports the claim that nothing exists after death. Our physical body definitely doesn't, but I believe all of us can agree on that. That is not the issue of this thread. I would like to see proof that everything goes empty and nothing happens at all.

After all, why do people have to prove there is life after death when there isn't any proof there isn't life after death?

You can't prove a negative, therefore it's obvious that you shouldnt have evidence against the afterlife.
But actually, there is, it's our brain, our brain contains all of who we are, so when our brain goes kaput, so does all of who we are.
NDEs have been recreated in lab tests with centrifuges, so I would discount that.
Reincarnation has not been proven, so I don't know why you think that's evidence.
Past life remembering could be explained through a global conscious, where a person may for a moment get a memory from someone else due to the connection we all have together.
It's not my job to disprove your ridiculous theories, it's your job to prove them.

[edit on 12-3-2010 by hippomchippo]


You are correct in the beginning of your post. All of WHO we are in the 3rd dimension does vanish for the most part. As it should. Because there is no YOU (Ego). Your finger would be mistaken to believe that it is the entire body.

Proof is found in the pudding. No eat pudding...no get proof.





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