Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Southern Guardian
SG SG SG, Biden states that thanks to Obama everything is great in Iraq.
Yea he did and its a joke because Iraq is anything but. That being said Biden was half right, Iraq will be one of this presidents great achievements because under his presidency troops will be withdrawn (whether you speculate so or not).
No I agree with you there Endisnighe, Iraq is not in a stable position and no president is going to change that. We were never meant to be in the country in the first place, it was under false reasons, and karma is just coming right back to bite us in the back.
Now you are here saying Obama was against it.
Obama was against the initial invasion yes, that doesnt mean he intends to just let the country get further in a mess. To me personally there is little amount of effort that can be done to change Iraq in its condition. A responsible troop withdrawal is at best the only reasonable way out, and even that will not make Iraq any more better off than previously.
$700 billion later, 4000 troops gone, more than 100,000 Iraqis gone, and the Iraq today is little better than the one before. America had not business and we cannot force positive democratic change in other countries. We are not the police of the world and you of all people should know that.
Please post his voting record on the war.
FactCheck: Opposes surge--hasn’t produced political solution. (Sep 2008)
Unwise war in Iraq distracted us from catching Bin Laden. (Sep 2008)
The surge is a tactic to contain 4 years of mismanaged war. (Sep 2008)
FactCheck: Iraq has at most $59B surplus, not $79B surplus. (Sep 2008)
FactCheck: Promised 16-month exit; now 16-month reduction. (Sep 2008)
You don’t defeat a terrorist network by occupying Iraq. (Aug 2008)
I will only send our troops into harm’s way when necessary. (Aug 2008)
Situation has improved in Iraq; but it’s still fragile. (Jul 2008)
Surge reduced violence; but distracts us from long-term goal. (Jul 2008)
$10 billion a month spent in Iraq should be spent in the US. (Jul 2008)
President sets Iraq mission; Generals then implement tactics. (Apr 2008)
President sets Iraq mission; give generals a new mission. (Apr 2008)
2002 anti-war speech was not popular opinion at that time. (Apr 2008)
$2.7 billion each week of Iraq spending is unsustainable. (Feb 2008)
Humanitarian aid now for displaced Iraqis. (Feb 2008)
FactCheck: Overstated displaced Iraqis; actually 4.2 million. (Feb 2008)
The Iraq war has undermined our security. (Jan 2008)
Iraq is distracting us from a host of global threats. (Jan 2008)
End the war, and end the mindset that got us into war. (Jan 2008)
The Iraq war was conceptually flawed from the start. (Jan 2008)
Title of Iraq war authorization bill stated its intent. (Jan 2008)
Get our troops out by the end of 2009. (Jan 2008)
No permanent bases in Iraq. (Jan 2008)
www.ontheissues.org...
Obama has been a vocal opposer of the reasoning behind the Iraq war since 2002. That doesnt mean that he will not work with the generals and men on the ground for a responsible withdrawal. He may disagree with the war but that doesnt mean he has to go cowboy like the previous president.
sidestepping
Im not sidestepping the OP, its a relevant argument. Why earth would you blabber on about the surge when the was itself was a big fat lie? Unless the surge was to support a withdrawal it didnt do much else to change the fact the was cost us over $700 billion and over 100,000 lives including our own soldiers.
The surge itself cost this nation another $27 billion extra, and Iraq itself is still in this mess, the war itself is still no more justified that from the start:
edition.cnn.com...
So why go on about surge when the war itself has cost this nation dearly? What has the surge done to change this fact?
Of course being there is wrong.
Wrong and costly so why the hell do people continue to go on about the surge when it doesnt change a damn thing?
Now, what are we doing again in Afghanistan? Oh yeah, that is where the Taliban are or the Al Queda
Most liberals and democrat supporters actually supported the Afghanistan war since 2001 and that has not changed. Yes people like myself believe we were attacked by terrorists and I do support the hunt for the animals who did this to our nation. Its not hypocritical for people like me to support Afghanistan because Iv always supported it. It didnt matter which president was in, I believe we have a duty in afghanistan where the real war should be. I believe that ever withdrawing from Afghanistan, the the job of hunting down those responsible should continue.
Yes there are those that oppose war outright, but most folks including myself held different views between Iraq and Afghanistan because of the circumstances and have done so since 2001. Iraq was a lie, Afghanistan had reason following 9/11.
