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posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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Shocking recipe for making Killer Electrons


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Take a bunch of fast-moving electrons, place them in orbit and then hit them with the shock waves from a solar storm. What do you get? Killer electrons. That’s the shocking recipe revealed by ESA’s Cluster mission.

Killer electrons are highly energetic particles trapped in Earth's outer radiation belt, which extends from 12 000 km to 64 000 km above the planet’s surface. During solar storms their number grows at least ten times and they can be dislodged, posing a threat to satellites. As the name suggests, killer electrons are energetic enough to penetrate satellite shielding and ca
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posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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This coupled with the Story about NASA providing an "Explanation" of China Earthquake: "Electrical disturbances on edge of atmosphere & impending quakes" (Link provided below) makes for some interesting theories :-)

So is this why Russia and the USA have been messing with HAARP type devices? Ionizing the Atmosphere to see what kind of weapon they could make out of this? Earthquake machine!!

-Kdial1

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posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by kdial1
This coupled with the Story about NASA providing an "Explanation" of China Earthquake: "Electrical disturbances on edge of atmosphere & impending quakes" (Link provided below) makes for some interesting theories :-)

So is this why Russia and the USA have been messing with HAARP type devices? Ionizing the Atmosphere to see what kind of weapon they could make out of this? Earthquake machine!!

-Kdial1

Related article



www.esa.int
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 11-3-2010 by kdial1]

[edit on 11-3-2010 by kdial1]

The closest we have to weather manipulation is cloud seeding, if you can provide EVIDENCE to prove otherwise, I'd love to see it.
But please, no youtube links..



posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 08:18 PM
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Interesting. Does anyone know how to find out what the solar activity was like on February 1, 2003? Could have a killer electron shower done in the Columbia?



posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by hippomchippo
The closest we have to weather manipulation is cloud seeding, if you can provide EVIDENCE to prove otherwise, I'd love to see it.
But please, no youtube links..



Who is talking about weather manipulation?


Weather control is the act of manipulating or altering certain aspects of the environment to produce desirable changes in weather. Weather control can have the goal of preventing damaging weather, such as hurricanes or tornadoes, from occurring; of causing beneficial weather, such as rainfall in an area experiencing drought; or of provoking damaging weather against an enemy or rival, as a tactic of military or economic warfare. Weather modification in warfare has been banned by the United Nations.
Source


-Kdial1

[edit on 11-3-2010 by kdial1]



posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 08:26 PM
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As I read the article the first thing that jumped in my head was this can be made into a weapon by a government. Thanks for mentioning the HAARP devices Kdial1. I to agree that this my be possible.



posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by kdial1

Originally posted by hippomchippo
The closest we have to weather manipulation is cloud seeding, if you can provide EVIDENCE to prove otherwise, I'd love to see it.
But please, no youtube links..



Who is talking about weather manipulation?


Weather control is the act of manipulating or altering certain aspects of the environment to produce desirable changes in weather. Weather control can have the goal of preventing damaging weather, such as hurricanes or tornadoes, from occurring; of causing beneficial weather, such as rainfall in an area experiencing drought; or of provoking damaging weather against an enemy or rival, as a tactic of military or economic warfare. Weather modification in warfare has been banned by the United Nations.
Source


-Kdial1

[edit on 11-3-2010 by kdial1]

You are, when you went on about russia and the US ionizing the atmosphere, then you said earthquake machine, are you saying thats not what you were getting at?



posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 09:27 PM
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Disclosure:
I am not a HAARP conspiracy proponent I only care to bring forth some data.
Here's a study on atmospheric ionization and it's connection to earthquakes;

Physical models of coupling in the lithosphere-atmosphere-ionosphere system before earthquakes



Abstract  The most important models of coupling in the lithosphere-atmosphere-ionosphere system are considered. In some of these models, it is assumed that atmospheric acoustic and acoustic gravity waves (AGWs), which propagate through the atmosphere and reach ionospheric altitudes (resulting in the generation of electric field disturbances and modulation of charged particle density), are generated in the near-Earth atmosphere over the earthquake preparation region. In other models it is assumed that ionospheric disturbances originate owing to the modification of electric fields and currents due to electric processes in the lithosphere or near-Earth atmosphere. It seems impossible to stress on only one model and reject the remaining models because the characteristic spatial scales of effects observed in the ionosphere before earthquakes vary from 200–300 km to several thousand kilometers, and the characteristic times vary from several minutes to several days. We can assume that there are several physical mechanisms by which the lithosphere-ionosphere coupling is actually implemented.



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by hippomchippo

You are, when you went on about russia and the US ionizing the atmosphere, then you said earthquake machine, are you saying thats not what you were getting at?


ok, if you mean weather manipulation as far as the Ionosphere goes yes it is true believe it or not! Since you seem so ignorant, I will provide you with some info. I was simply tying in the facts of the two articles and pointed to a conclusion based on my own observations of the two articles.

I am not going to argue with some kid, wake up and do some research for yourself. It will do you good. I have been on this website long enough to know when someone is trying to derail a thread. Go get some knowledge then come back with intelligent conversation.

As a matter of fact go to the government website of HAARP and become educated. I will provide you with the link to get you started, also provided at the below website are links where they specifically show evidence of ionizing the atmosphere.

Here is a little taste for you:


The HAARP program is committed to developing a world class ionospheric research facility consisting of:

* The Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI), a high power transmitter facility operating in the High Frequency (HF) range. The IRI will be used to temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere for scientific study.



Artificial Aurora

www.haarp.alaska.edu...


Did my part of Denying Ignorance



-Kdial1

[edit on 12-3-2010 by kdial1]



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 04:14 AM
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From the OP Related link:



Early warning

One study looked at over 100 earthquakes with magnitudes of 5.0 or larger in Taiwan over several decades. The researchers found that almost all of the earthquakes down to a depth of about 35km were preceded by distinct electrical disturbances in the ionosphere. The analysis was carried out by Jann-Yeng Liu, from the Center for Space and Remote Sensing Research in Chung-Li, Taiwan. Though full details have yet to be released, the BBC understands that scientists also observed a "huge" signal in the ionosphere before the Magnitude 7.8 earthquake in China on 12 May. The team at Nasa has also been working with Surrey Satellite Technology Limited (SSTL) in the UK, to investigate the feasibility of a satellite-based early warning system. Stuart Eves, head of business development at the company, told BBC News: "The evidence suggests we're now crossing the boundary in terms of technology readiness." He added: "What we don't know is how big the effect is and how long-lasting it is before the earthquake." Minoru Freund believes other earthquake "precursors" could feed into this system. These include enhanced emission of infrared (IR) radiation from the earthquake epicentre, as well as anomalies in low-frequency electric and magnetic field data.


Interesting......



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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Heavy electricity? Sodomised electrons?
Better warn the citizens of uppuveli before the invisible lead soup starts to fly
That could be your mother...



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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Congrats, you have successfully added nothing to a scientific conversation.
Please think before you post, stay on topic, and try to add some value to your contributions.



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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www.globalresearch.ca...

Thats an interesting read,NASA going with the "Earth lights" type theory.
Sort of makes sense that the earths magnetic field may be wobbled at times of tectonic movements,which could explain some of the strange skies seen before some quakes.

On HAARP,they send a massively high powered beam of energy in a high frequency burst,at the ionosphere-thats what they say they do right?

So how do they know that this high frequency wave does not interact with earths other sytems?

Although they send the wave up to the ionosphere,it spreads out surely-being a wave an all?
Do they really know all the potential side effects?



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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OOoooO that told me now didn't it, ever so sorry, Just thought I'd heard the same thing before... on brass eye, please continue with your 'scientific conversation'



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by kdial1

Originally posted by hippomchippo

You are, when you went on about russia and the US ionizing the atmosphere, then you said earthquake machine, are you saying thats not what you were getting at?


ok, if you mean weather manipulation as far as the Ionosphere goes yes it is true believe it or not! Since you seem so ignorant, I will provide you with some info. I was simply tying in the facts of the two articles and pointed to a conclusion based on my own observations of the two articles.

I am not going to argue with some kid, wake up and do some research for yourself. It will do you good. I have been on this website long enough to know when someone is trying to derail a thread. Go get some knowledge then come back with intelligent conversation.

As a matter of fact go to the government website of HAARP and become educated. I will provide you with the link to get you started, also provided at the below website are links where they specifically show evidence of ionizing the atmosphere.

Here is a little taste for you:


The HAARP program is committed to developing a world class ionospheric research facility consisting of:

* The Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI), a high power transmitter facility operating in the High Frequency (HF) range. The IRI will be used to temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere for scientific study.



Artificial Aurora

www.haarp.alaska.edu...


Did my part of Denying Ignorance



-Kdial1

[edit on 12-3-2010 by kdial1]

I'll ignore the ad homs, and get to the beef.
You know weather is manipulated in the troposphere right?
All HAARP does is excite a small part of the ionosphere above the actual facility, I still don't understand how you can say it can cause earthquakes.



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by hippomchippo
I'll ignore the ad homs, and get to the beef.
You know weather is manipulated in the troposphere right?
All HAARP does is excite a small part of the ionosphere above the actual facility, I still don't understand how you can say it can cause earthquakes.


You do realize you derailed this thread right?

1: You were the one that said weather manipulation.


The closest we have to weather manipulation is cloud seeding, if you can provide EVIDENCE to prove otherwise, I'd love to see it.
But please, no youtube links..


I then went on to say "Who is talking about weather manipulation"

You replied,

You are, when you went on about russia and the US ionizing the atmosphere, then you said earthquake machine, are you saying thats not what you were getting at?


So you contradicting your whole argument with your last post....


You know weather is manipulated in the troposphere right?






2: I did not say it was HAARP. I specifically said a "HAARP type device"

Get off of this thread




-Kdial1







[edit on 12-3-2010 by kdial1]



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by kdial1
I did not say it was HAARP. I specifically said a "HAARP type device"


This cannot be ruled out IMO.
HAARP connected threads seem to be taking a beating of late from certain folks.

The original patents for the system however,appear to shed more light on the matter with reagards to weaponization potential.

Bearden is the guy to look up,if I remember correctly.

People who say all HAARP conspiracys are whackos have not read,or are attempting to detract from,the whole story,IMO.

The potential for high frequency ionospheric experiments to lead to viable weapons application is far closer than many would claim IMHO,as always.
Good Thread kdial1


(hmm wtf is up with the italics? oh well no can edit)

[edit on 12/3/2010 by Silcone Synapse]



posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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Killer electrons ?

You mean like the type of vast electrical charge that builds up in the atmosphere and causes violent electrical storms ?

Yes thunder and lightning could possibly wipe out all of humanity if such a thing were ever to happen.



posted on Mar, 14 2010 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Killer electrons ?

You mean like the type of vast electrical charge that builds up in the atmosphere and causes violent electrical storms ?

Yes thunder and lightning could possibly wipe out all of humanity if such a thing were ever to happen.





Did you read the article?
They are saying that when the electrons are accelerated (VLF) waves of 3–30 kHz, the other on ultra low frequency (ULF) waves of 0.001–1 Hz, they become killer electrons.



The data show that a two-step process causes the substantial rise of killer electrons. The initial acceleration is due to the strong shock-related magnetic field compression. Immediately after the impact of the interplanetary shock, Earth’s magnetic field lines began wobbling at ultra low frequencies. In turn, these ULF waves were found to effectively accelerate the seed electrons provided by the first step, to become killer electrons. Although the analysis has been a long one, the results have been worth the wait. Now astronomers know how killer electrons are accelerated. “Data from the four Cluster satellites allowed the identification of ULF waves able to accelerate electrons,” says Malcolm Dunlop, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Didcot (UK) and co-author of this study. Thanks to this analysis of Cluster data, if the killer electrons happen to be ejected towards Earth, we now know that they can strike the atmosphere within just 15 minutes. “These new findings help us to improve the models predicting the radiation environment in which satellites and astronauts operate. With solar activity now ramping up, we expect more of these shocks to impact our magnetosphere over the months and years to come,” says Philippe Escoubet, ESA’s Cluster mission manager.


-Kdial1

[edit on 14-3-2010 by kdial1]






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