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Topic started on 11-3-2010 @ 01:16 PM by Tormentations

There are actual conspiracies against persons by age. The U.S. should get rid of going by age in its laws. We should all be equal as in just human instead of going by adult and minor. But what do you all think? There shouldn't be age restrictions. There should not be a such thing as a baby, child, teen, or an adult. Those type of things - because it's leeway for discrimination. You should be able to drive a car when you are able which shouldn't be based by age to tell that being the case. For instance, if a 14 year old is able to drive a car, then they should be allowed the privledge to. It dont take age to tell whether or not you are capable of doing something. People got it all wrong. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO BE 18 IN ORDER TO HAVE A BANK ACCOUNT THEY CAN DO TRANSACTIONS WITH. If you are able to do transactions with a bank account, then you should be allowed without having your age looked at. Age should not be looked at, but ability and capability should be. If a 9 year old is able to light a cigar and smoke it, then they should be allowed to. It's his physical body, not the government's physical body nor his parent's physical body. That is all.

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reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:20 PM by Tormentations

I was 7 years old when I started to light cigs with matches and get my smoking on. I don't smoke currently, and haven't for a while, but I usually do it on very rare occastions. And I only smoke cigars being adult. When I was say 7 it was not cigars.

The point is, is that I was able and capable to do it. Was that so hard to be because of my 7 year old age back then? Heck naw!

If you are age 7, and capable of playing the lotto, then it should be fine with the U.S. laws since there shouldnt be age restriction, and the U.S. SHOULDN'T GO BY AGE ON ANY FORM ONE HAS TO FILL OUT.

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reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:24 PM by captaintyinknots

Yes, lets.

Lets have 5 year olds on the road killing people.

Lets have 12 year olds dating 40 year old men.

Lets have infants drinking booze.

Lets let middle schoolers carry guns.

Lets let teachers and students share a smoke.

Not to be rude, but the only person that would think it was a good idea is someone who is frustrated with the fact that they are not yet of age.

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:25 PM by LadySkadi

Please read this, carefully, (condensed version). After that, explain to me the differences in child/teen/adult cognitive development and whether you still believe they are all one in the same... Then, we'll chat...

stages of cognitive development

ed: fix link

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reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:29 PM by Tormentations

reply to post by captaintyinknots

You and I know that is not what I can mean by saying what I said in the OP. It's all about ABILITY AND CAPABILITY, not age.

You and I also know a baby cant drive a car, so why restrict what is already not able or capable? It's senseless. LET THE ABLE AND CAPABLE BE ABLE AND CAPABLE. That's all I'm saying.

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reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:34 PM by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Tormentations
reply to post by captaintyinknots

You and I know that is not what I can mean by saying what I said in the OP. It's all about ABILITY AND CAPABILITY, not age.

You and I also know a baby cant drive a car, so why restict what is already not able or capable?

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A 2 year old has the capability to smoke. A 2 year old is capable of drinking booze. A 2 year old is capable of being touched sexually by an adult. A 2 year old is capable of firing a gun.

Its not about capability. As Lady said, it is about cognitive ability.

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:38 PM by Tormentations

reply to post by captaintyinknots

But with guns it's a safety issue. Is a 2 year old able and capable of handling a gun safely? Ha! I got cha!

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:39 PM by Kailassa

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Yes, lets.

Lets have 5 year olds on the road killing people.

Lets have 12 year olds dating 40 year old men.

Lets have infants drinking booze.

Lets let middle schoolers carry guns.

Lets let teachers and students share a smoke.

Not to be rude, but the only person that would think it was a good idea is someone who is frustrated with the fact that they are not yet of age.

Or a person with an unhealthy interest in children.

Who knows who anyone really is on the internet?

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:47 PM by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Tormentations
reply to post by captaintyinknots

But with guns it's a safety issue. Is a 2 year old able and capable of handling a gun safely? Ha! I got cha!

Not really. Can a 21 year old smoke a cigarette safely?

oops, the safety argument is thrown out.

It is about the cognitive ability to see the risk/reward, to weigh consequences.

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:50 PM by concernedcitizan

My 3-year-old nephew sees myself, my father, and his father smoke cigars and drink liquor or beer frequently (though in the context of a relaxing conversation, and only when we're done having dinner or taking part in some other family activity – and never getting drunk). Is it the best example to set? Maybe not. Is occasional cigar smoking when it's warm out and the guys want to enjoy some quiet time outside the worst thing in the world – particularly if it's on our own property? Definitely not.

The attitude toward the police state continues, with the herd accepting in greater numbers. In many European countries, wine at the dinner table was an accepted social tradition, and yet somehow, decades after Prohibition, the US ended up with the drinking & drunk driving problem.

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:50 PM by Kailassa

Originally posted by Tormentations

Get rib of age restriction period

There are actual conspiracies against persons by age.
. . .

Personally, I believe people too ignorant to correctly spell their own thread titles should not be able to start threads, whatever their age.

See, I'm not ageist. I'm just bored with conceited immaturity.

I don't know any 7 year olds who would not be capable of lighting a ciggie and smoking it. But you're the first I've met who thinks that's something to be proud of.

And if you think that's nasty try this for size:

The most likely reason for anyone to argue publicly that a child should have the right to do whatever it wants with its own body, no matter how damaging, is that they are actually a pervert from NAMBLA posing as a child to push their sick, perverted agenda.

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:53 PM by mahtoosacks

Originally posted by Tormentations
reply to post by captaintyinknots

You and I know that is not what I can mean by saying what I said in the OP. It's all about ABILITY AND CAPABILITY, not age.

You and I also know a baby cant drive a car, so why restrict what is already not able or capable? It's senseless. LET THE ABLE AND CAPABLE BE ABLE AND CAPABLE. That's all I'm saying.
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i really hope you aren't trying to say, if there's grass on the field, play ball.....

i really do hope you aren't.

i feel this has been brought up many times. my main problem with it, if you can go to jail, drive, smoke, go to war, then you should be able to drink.

after that it becomes really gray.

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:53 PM by Tormentations

reply to post by captaintyinknots

Well I disagree. It should be all about ability and capability with reguard to safety in certain areas. Most things don't have safety as a factor to be able and capable of handling them. Such as: transactions with bank accounts, gambling, etc.

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:54 PM by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Kailassa

Originally posted by Tormentations

Get rib of age restriction period

There are actual conspiracies against persons by age.
. . .

Personally, I believe people too ignorant to correctly spell their own thread titles should not be able to start threads, whatever their age.

See, I'm not ageist. I'm just bored with conceited immaturity.

I don't know any 7 year olds who would not be capable of lighting a ciggie and smoking it. But you're the first I've met who thinks that's something to be proud of.

And if you think that's nasty try this for size:

The most likely reason for anyone to argue publicly that a child should have the right to do whatever it wants with its own body, no matter how damaging, is that they are actually a pervert from NAMBLA posing as a child to push their sick, perverted agenda.

Ive read some of the OP's threads-I truly do not think this is the case.

I think he is just a young person who is still learning. I was there once. I was young and naive, thought age restriction was silly, thought anarchy was the way.
Then I grew up.

Hopefully he will too.
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Its a common view from those who are starting to wake up but do not yet have the life experience to realize that no, total control is not good, but that there ARE legitimate reasons for some of the things that are out there.

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:56 PM by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Tormentations
reply to post by captaintyinknots

Well I disagree. It should be all about ability and capability with reguard to safety in certain areas. Most things don't have safety as a factor to be able and capable of handling them. Such as: transactions with bank accounts, gambling, etc.

When you get a little older, you'll see things differently.

I do not say this to be rude. I say this because I have been there.

Let me ask you this: Who decides, if age isnt a factor, when a specific person is ready to do this, or that?

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 01:59 PM by Illusionsaregrander

reply to post by Tormentations

What I think is..... I absolutely disagree.

Age restrictions are in place for a reason. That reason being that children and young adults are not fully developed mentally, particularly in areas of predicting long term consequences and impulse control.

The part of the brain that control those areas is not fully mature until around the age of 25, and if anything, I think the age of adulthood should be raised to reflect the science.

Edit to add;

A good portion of those discriminatory rules act to protect children and young adults from exploitation as well. Corporations and others would love to be able to enter into contracts with children who cannot make good judgments. Especially if they could hold the parents liable for those contracts when the child was unable to perform.

I personally think it is a shame we are rolling back the age at which children are tried as adults. And that is the only way I would agree with your proposition.

IF: we continue to hold children accountable like adults,

THEN: we should give them adult rights as well.

I just personally think, and science backs it up, that both of those are a mistake.

[edit on 11-3-2010 by Illusionsaregrander]

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 02:01 PM by smyleegrl

Tormentations,

It sounds to me as if you are "underage" and ready to enter the adult world. I remember feeling that way, and arguing vehemently that age restrictions on smoking, drinking, voting, and driving were elitist and just plain wrong.

Then I grew up.

With age comes wisdom....and the ability to see things from a different perspective. You'll begin to understand exactly why there are restrictions and laws and everything else you find so disturbing. And you'll realize those restrictions actually have a purpose, and its not a conspiracy to keep teenagers "in their place," but to help those teenagers grow to adulthood without hurting themselves or anyone else along the way.

Frustrating, I know. I used to get so angry when an adult would say that to me. But....truth is still truth.

Enjoy your youth, be patient, and learn while you're at it. You'll be 21 before you know it, (and once you hit 30 time really speeds up).

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 02:03 PM by Tormentations

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Tormentations
reply to post by captaintyinknots

Well I disagree. It should be all about ability and capability with reguard to safety in certain areas. Most things don't have safety as a factor to be able and capable of handling them. Such as: transactions with bank accounts, gambling, etc.

When you get a little older, you'll see things differently.

I do not say this to be rude. I say this because I have been there.

Let me ask you this: Who decides, if age isnt a factor, when a specific person is ready to do this, or that?

Every one else decides. There can even be tests to tell. Then the person can be given a license that says they are capable and able. It's that simple really.

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 02:06 PM by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Tormentations

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Tormentations
reply to post by captaintyinknots

Well I disagree. It should be all about ability and capability with reguard to safety in certain areas. Most things don't have safety as a factor to be able and capable of handling them. Such as: transactions with bank accounts, gambling, etc.

When you get a little older, you'll see things differently.

I do not say this to be rude. I say this because I have been there.

Let me ask you this: Who decides, if age isnt a factor, when a specific person is ready to do this, or that?

Every one else decides. There can even be tests to tell. Then the person can be given a license that says they are capable and able. It's that simple really.

No, it isnt.

Everyone decides? How exactly, do you propose, that everyone decides? (For the record, everyone DID decide, which is why age restrictions are in place).

Tests to tell? What kind of test? Do you understand the cost it would take to do such a thing?

reply posted on 11-3-2010 @ 02:09 PM by Tormentations

Haha, none of you guys know my age. And it shall stay that way. My business. Lets just say I am a lively kid at heart though am adult since you guys still go by adult and child terminology.

Now back on topic. ABILITY AND CAPABLITY is all that should matter. Like Metallica sung, "nothing else matters."

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