Students' Perceptions of Earth's Age Influence Acceptance of Human Evolution, page 1

Students' Perceptions of Earth's Age Influence Acceptance of Human Evolution

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Using that information, they created a model that shows, for example, when a student's religious and political views are liberal, they are more likely to believe that the Earth is billions, rather than thousands, of years old and to know more about evolution. Conversely, students with conservative religious and political views are more inclined to think the Earth is much younger (20,000 years or less) and to know less about evolution.

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In my opinion there should be set standards as to what is taught in school in regards to this matter. I understand that there are alot of people that have different religious beliefs but why are some teaching kids to ignore the facts. In the article it says that some teachers are still trying to teach creationism. I do believe in a "God" but that doesn't mean I don't believe in evolution or some form of it (we could have even come from aliens who knows). Why would some teachers try and teach kids that the earth is only thousands of years old and not billions. It doesn't make sense, are we trying to make the population dumb? I would like to hear other people take on this matter.

Here is a little more of the article...

Through this and previous surveys, Cotner and her colleagues have learned that 2 percent of students are taught creationism only, 22 percent are taught evolution and creationism, 14 are taught neither and 62 percent evolution only.

"In other words, about one in four high school biology teachers in the upper Midwest are giving students the impression that creationism is a viable explanation for the origins of life on Earth," Cotner says. "That's just not acceptable. The Constitution prohibits teaching creationism in schools."


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In response to your article, you should know that there is no day 8 in the bible, We do not know how long of a lapse there was from day 7 to Adams Creation.. In fact it could be that Earths history and the Universe are indeed 4.6 Billion years old and Man today is only 20,000 years old or 6K... They fact is evolution is a theory just like Creation is a theory, we won’t know till we die or invent a time machine either we they are theory’s.

Originally posted by Trudge

In my opinion there should be set standards as to what is taught in school in regards to this matter. I understand that there are alot of people that have different religious beliefs but why are some teaching kids to ignore the facts. In the article it says that some teachers are still trying to teach creationism. I do believe in a "God" but that doesn't mean I don't believe in evolution or some form of it (we could have even come from aliens who knows), or that the earth is only thousands of years old and not billions. It doesn't make sense, are we trying to make the population dumb? I would like to hear other people take on this matter.

Here is a little more of the article...

Through this and previous surveys, Cotner and her colleagues have learned that 2 percent of students are taught creationism only, 22 percent are taught evolution and creationism, 14 are taught neither and 62 percent evolution only.

"In other words, about one in four high school biology teachers in the upper Midwest are giving students the impression that creationism is a viable explanation for the origins of life on Earth," Cotner says. "That's just not acceptable. The Constitution prohibits teaching creationism in schools."


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i believe like you, why cant both work together.

i think its really small minded to think that it can only be one or the other.

as for this. i think that people are getting dumber and dumber.

i chalk it up to a catch 22 scenario with technology.

you have a group of people that believes A, and they teach everyone to believe only A. an outsider shows up beliving B. he may not get everyone to believe B, and they might even spawn belief C out of the confusion.

now there are beliefs all the way to ZZZZ1234 and when i think a group still believes A sees all these mulitude of other beliefs, rather than opening to it (much as we here have) they close down to everything automatically and just put it in the OTHER category.

closing yourself to other view points will only cause ignorance. you dont have to incorporate their ideas/ideals into your belief, but at least acknowledge they exist!!

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I think it goes more like this: A closed mind thinks the Bible is true, and Earth is but a few thousand years old. An open mind knows differently, having read up and researched the topic and found out the truth of the matter, knows the Earth is billions of years old, and that mankind has walked this planet for millions of years. That is the real difference here...political views have nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by autowrench
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I think it goes more like this: A closed mind thinks the Bible is true, and Earth is but a few thousand years old. An open mind knows differently, having read up and researched the topic and found out the truth of the matter, knows the Earth is billions of years old, and that mankind has walked this planet for millions of years. That is the real difference here...political views have nothing to do with it.

Hi autowrench, I agree with you that people who think "everything" written in the bible is fact have a closed mind, and that people who do research and learn about the earths history are more open minded. I think what they were talking about in this article about political views is that if you are a hardcore right winged conservative, "most" (not all) believe the bible is "fact".

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Evolution is not just like Creationism. Evolution is a scientific theory, whereas Creationism is a religious belief. Evolution has mountains of data supporting it, and is the best explanation for what has been observed. In fact, no other theory in biology has as much evidence supporting it as evolution. Creationism is supported by religious texts and is impossible to study by means of the scientific method. Therefore, Creationism can never be a scientific theory.

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Your wrong creationism can to be a scientific theory, just because it is something you do not prescribe to does not make it wrong.... Man was just a twinkle in the eyes of God we he created the cosmos, Like creationism the theory of evolution has flaws in it, which is why Creationism and Evolution are just that Theories.

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No, it is unfalsifiable, therefore precluding it from ever being able to be a scientific hypothesis, let alone a scientific theory.

The corollary to your statement is "something does not become a scientific theory just because you really, really, really want it to be one, and don't know the difference".

Clearly you don't know the meaning of the word "theory" is a scientific context:

In the sciences, a scientific theory (also called an empirical theory) comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena.

- from Wikipedia. It is clear that creationism is definitely not, and never can be, a scientific theory.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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Evolution is not just like Creationism. Evolution is a scientific theory, whereas Creationism is a religious belief. Evolution has mountains of data supporting it, and is the best explanation for what has been observed. In fact, no other theory in biology has as much evidence supporting it as evolution. Creationism is supported by religious texts and is impossible to study by means of the scientific method. Therefore, Creationism can never be a scientific theory.

I hope you are refering to micro and not macro, otherwise you sound foolish. Micro has NEVER been disputed, since we can actually observe it, and document it. You cannot provide proof for micro, and then lump it together with macro. Thats called a equivocation fallacy, no Christian has ever disputed micro evolution. In fact Edward Blythe (I'm willing to bet you never heard of him), was a Christian who wrote extensively about micro evolution. Darwin later plagerized his work, so you can quit beating that straw man.

Please provide ANY evidence of macroevolution, that is, molecules to man/all living creatures descend from a common ancestor. I'm sure that will be simple with the mounds of evidence you claim, the billions of transitional fossils etc. That is unless you simply believe in this with faith and not evidence... and yet many of you still defend it with religious fervor, the irony?!?!?

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DNA. Oh, that was easy!

We can see from DNA that we are all descended from common ancestors. We can trace the major quirks of our DNA back to our ancestors, and their ancestors.

Macroevolution is just microevolution over a long period of time. We have already observed speciation (ie the creation of new species) in the lab. We have also observed it in the natural world.

Deny ignorance.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
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Your wrong creationism can to be a scientific theory, just because it is something you do not prescribe to does not make it wrong.... Man was just a twinkle in the eyes of God we he created the cosmos, Like creationism the theory of evolution has flaws in it, which is why Creationism and Evolution are just that Theories.

Ok so kids walk into the science class and sit down. You as a teacher say that the class is going to be talking about creationism/intelligent design today and look at the evidence to support it. What would you have them look at? bearing in mind this is a science class of course. I would sure like to know...


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Yeah, jumped the gun a little there, didn't I? But in reality, religion has a great deal to do with politics, does it not? How many non-Christian presidents have there been? Sorry, didn't mean to derail your thread, which is a good one, BTW.

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Not all Christians think the bible is a historical document. Most see it as purely allegorical; an instrument to guide them, not to instruct them.

Only the ridiculous ones think it's a history book, and they give the rest a very, very bad name.

Originally posted by Trudge
In my opinion there should be set standards as to what is taught in school in regards to this matter. I understand that there are alot of people that have different religious beliefs but why are some teaching kids to ignore the facts. In the article it says that some teachers are still trying to teach creationism. I do believe in a "God" but that doesn't mean I don't believe in evolution or some form of it (we could have even come from aliens who knows). Why would some teachers try and teach kids that the earth is only thousands of years old and not billions. It doesn't make sense, are we trying to make the population dumb? I would like to hear other people take on this matter.

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[edit on 11-3-2010 by Trudge]

[edit on 11-3-2010 by Trudge]

Massive assumption... I could just as rightly ask why do evolutionist teach children to ignore the facts? If the "facts" were so obvious then why is there still a debate. 200 years since Darwin and science still utterly FAILS to convince the majority of humanity... Oh that's right, we are just blind sheeple that don't have the intelectual capacity to see the truth...

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