South Africa To Legalize Prostitution for 2010 Soccer World Cup.

Yoh, Yoh! Guys are getting upset here, this thread brought all the SA's in. Lol

Every1 has some valid points on the country. True there is alot of corruption in the government, but they learned it from the western governments
Yes there is alot of crime but the main reason is because the ruling party doesnt do anything for the least fortunate.

Things arent great but read the news from around the world... its not great anywhere! Lets be greatful for what we have, and what we dont. We dont have earthquakes and tornados, our economy isn't in as bad a state as the US and UK.

My honest opinion is that things could be alot worse, and if Julius would just shut-the-SNIP-up things would be alot better.

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Wow ! Football and Eager Women ! A Bloody Wankers Paradise only thought of in Dreams ! ..........

[edit on 12-3-2010 by Zanti Misfit]

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Your post made me laugh, and so did your signature!

You are right, we are no where near as bad as say...Zimbabwe, for instance.

I'm just worried about these threats and plans to rob the tourists during the world cup. Where I live, tourists get killed walking on the cliff path next to the ocean...it's a regular occurrence. As the town I live in depends on tourists to survive, it's sad that they are targeting them specifically.

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Wow ! Football and Eager Women ! A Bloody Wankers Paradise only thought of in Dreams ! ..........

You do realize our one stadium is in Greenpoint.... Oh man, it's gonna be great seeing 30 hookers per corner instead of the usual 10 or so.... Great for our country! And setting such a great example for the female youth!

I just love this country! not.

Originally posted by deltaalphanovember
reply to post by V1g0r0u5

 

On that point we find common ground ... root out the REAL criminals, and only then will we start making progress.

The real criminals? I get your point and agree totally. The problem is that if you did a poll right now on who the "real criminals" are in SA the majority of the black population would say it is the whites.
I have no doubt about that. Malema sang it openly: "Shoot the boers, they are rapists". They believe whites stole the land 300 years ago (when whites only reached most of the black tribes who were starving from the Mfecane wars after 1820-1850). But yet they are taught by politicians that we stole everything from them.
I live in a relatively safe region of the Cape, but I will not leave my fortified home unless I have to. Clubbing or socializing is restricted to special occassions. I understand you wanted to balance things in your reply above, and that is great, because it is a complex situation.
However, how much "balance" do you see from Malema and the wider black sentiment?

As for prostitution - I think SA has way too many laws and useless "broken window" campaigns. I say decriminalize prostitution, zone it, and also decriminilize dagga! The cops throw dockets in the veld for the big criminals and then go for soft targets (whom they also sometimes assault and rape). These things are already de facto decriminalized. Prostitutes should become unionized, legal workers a.s.a.p.

[edit on 12-3-2010 by halfoldman]

This is way overdue, and the prostitutes themselves will be the first to benefit from this. Breaking the hold that the nigerians and police have over them will be the best thing ever.
Get them away from the gangsters, and drugs.

I'm wondering where the thousands of new ones will go, since all "turf" is currently taken by the drug dealers. Expect violence.

I do find it curious that on the same day that this news was released, DSTV ... (our satellite service provider) declined requests to offer a porn channel. Due to a public outcry ...

So ban porn and legalize prostitutes, almost like banning smoking (they're busy with that) and legalizing marijuana (which they should).

EDIT: the n"word"ians are N i g e r i a n s ... people from the land of Nigeria ...

[edit on 12-3-2010 by harryhaller]

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Come to Australia; you are welcome .
I've got a few friends that have.....the best one being my wife!
Peace to you, although I am afraid that you may not get much there.
Go well.
KK

seems like South Africa is going down really fast, next stop zimbabwe 2!

too bad.

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Hi KRISKAL
Thanks for the offer, mate, but I respectfully decline.
I had about 3 months to go before getting citizenship in Canada,but when my marriage to a Canadian ended, I jumped on the first plane home. Canada is great, but South Africa is my home. I will fight for my place here.

Regards

To all of those who are for this, I beg you to wake the hell up & stop lying to yourselves.

I can't believe most in this thread are for the legalization of prostitution, thinking it will 'empower women.

"[In the past, we had a women's] movement which understood that the choice to be beaten by one man for economic survival was not a real choice, despite the appearance of consent a marriage contract might provide. ...Yet now we are supposed to believe, in the name of feminism, that the choice to be #ed by hundreds of men for economic survival must be affirmed as a real choice, and if the woman signs a model release there is no coercion there." (Catharine A. MacKinnon, "Liberalism and the Death of Feminism," in Dorchen Leidholdt and Janice Raymond (eds), The Sexual Liberals and the Attack on Feminism, 1990, Teachers College Press, New York.)

"For a great part of 1992 I lived in a beautiful apartment on Capitol Hill. I drove my expensive car. I bought lovely clothes and traveled extensively out of the country. For the first time in my 20 years as an adult woman, I paid my own way. There was no need to worry about affording my rent, my phone bill, all the debts one accumulates simply by living month to month. I felt invincible. And I was miserable to the core. I hated myself because I hated my life All the things I came to possess meant nothing. I could not face myself in the mirror. Working in prostitution lost my soul." Survivor interviewed by Debra Boyer, Lynn Chapman and Brent Marshall in Survival Sex in King County: Helping Women Out (1993), King County Women;s Advisory Board, Northwest Resource Associates, Seattle.

Other studies have noted that those in prostitution want to escape, and have the same needs as others who are in similar circumstances. El Bassel found that women who used drugs and who also prostituted were significantly more psychologically distressed than were drug-using women who did not prostitute. El Bassel et al. (1997) "Sex Trading and Psychological Distress among Women Recruited from the Streets of Harlem," American Journal of Public Health, 87: 66-70.

We usually don't see prostitution as domestic violence because it is just too painful: "...the carnage: the scale of it, the dailiness of it, the seeming inevitability of it; the torture, the rapes, the murders, the beatings, the despair, the hollowing out of the personality, the near extinguishment of hope commonly suffered by women in prostitution." (Margaret A. Baldwin "Split at the Root: Prostitution and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform" in Yale Journal of Law and Feminism, 1992, Vol 5: 47-120)

"Male dominance means that the society creates a pool of prostitutes by any means necessary so that men have what men need to stay on top, to feel big, literally, metaphorically, in every way;..." (Andrea Dworkin, Prostitution and Male Supremacy, in Life and Death, Free Press, 1997).

Edit to add link-
www.prostitutionresearch.com...

[edit on 23/01/2010 by jinx880101]

Evening everyone!

I'm a white guy currently living in South Africa, been living here way to long! Firstly, prostitution has never been legalized in the Republic of South Africa, and only for the first time will it be done during the 2010 world cup, which will be a complete joke of a event, but I see no reason why prostitution as being immoral and illegal. What's the difference between prostitution and having a maid (called domestic workers here)? They both perform valuable services and at the same rate.

I'm in the hospitality industry, and now we've been told if we don't want people to bring prostitutes into our rooms we need to put our "no prostitutes allowed" signs all over the hotel! But it'll be an interesting one.

While we on a similar subject, on the news they say they'll be brining over two hundred million condoms into the Republic to make sure we don't run out!

Regards,
Latixus.

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I'm in the hospitality industry, and now we've been told if we don't want people to bring prostitutes into our rooms we need to put our "no prostitutes allowed" signs all over the hotel! But it'll be an interesting one.

Are you for real?
I used to work in a boutique hotel...so, that should be pretty interesting!

What you said about comparing domestic workers with prostitutes....Maybe you want to read some of the quotes I posted above. A lot of it deals with the psychology behind prostitution.

A couple nights ago on the news, I briefly heard in the highlights that after consideration, it will not be passed. But I watched the full hour of news, and saw nothing more about the topic.