South Africa To Legalize Prostitution for 2010 Soccer World Cup.

When I first heard about this I mortified & frankly, I thought it was a joke... Well, it's not. Some serious consideration has gone into this, & I'm afraid this might just be passed... I'm....speechless, I don't know what to think or what to say, I'm find myself quite dumbfounded.

Much has been made about the strength of South Africa’s infrastructure to host a successful World Cup. To that end, South Africa is considering beefing up their capabilities in providing the best World Cup possible by legalizing prostitution.

It was South African police commissioner Jackie Selebi who first proposed the idea, arguing that if prostitution is legalized, it would free up police to deal with more pressing security issues, but last Wednesday, at an Arts and Culture Department meeting on its plans for social cohesion for 2010, the proposal was presented again, this time from ANC MP George Lekgetho. “It is one of the things that would make it [the tournament] a success because we hear of many rapes, because people don’t have access to them [women],” Lekgetho stated during a meeting of the Portfolio Committee on Arts and Culture in Parliament.

Theoretically so long as it’s legal, it will be easy to license, regulate, and tax. It would provide money for the country, establish some guidelines and safety precautions for the workers and their patrons, and generally allow the prostitutes more organizational capabilities, providing more safety and empowerment.

And lets not forget-

There is also the issue of HIV. Legalizing prostitution could pave the way for regulations on mandatory testing for HIV and other STD’s, making it safer for both the prostitutes and their patrons. Read more: soccerlens.com...

I guess I'm afraid that this will be permanent. Which is weird, because if it does get passed & accepted, why would it not be made permanent? I mean, you can't legalize something like this, and then make it illegal when the event is done...isn't that supporting a double standard?

I seriously don't know what is happening to this world....I'm just, so sad that this is even being considered.

Women are free to make the choices they feel are right for them, by all means. But, I feel that women who are pro-prostitution, or who are prostitutes have emotional issues that they have not dealt with. I do not condemn them for their choice, but rather am sad for them, because I can imagine what it feels like after the deed is done, and you have the money in your hand. It must feel like your soul is slowly being stripped away from you, piece by piece.

But that's not really the issue here.

I would like to know what all of you think about this, am I just being prudish? Or should I/we stand up for what is right...or rather what I THINK is right?

“If sex working is legalised people would not do things in the dark. That would bring us tax and would improve the lives of those who are not working.” Read more: soccerlens.com...

How desperate could a country be to make money? Is it really worth striping a country and the people of their morals and values?

Makes me wonder what will be next?

Link to full article- soccerlens.com...

[edit on 23/01/2010 by jinx880101]

Not that much of a surprise. Its been legal for awhile, Except its known by a different name, "High class escorts". In theory it would do the country alot of good. The amount of rape would decrease, along with murder and the taxation idea and mandatory HIV tests are a good idea. On the other hand, There is also the moral aspect along with the problem of forced prostitution. Hopefully they'll have a plan to counter that as well. All-in-all its not much of a surprise, It was really only a matter of time before it was made legal.

What better way to reduce the population than by infecting thousands more with HIV? Just a thought

Hi, while I dislike prostitution as much as you do, I am not so naive as to think it will ever go away simply because we dissaprove.

Legalising it has a lot of benefits, both for government and for the workers themselves.
Right now a lot of tax is lost, and a lot of the workers are abused by corrupt police who demand freebies, protection money etc.

I agree with most of the points raised in favour of legalising it.

No, I don't think this is going to cause a lot of women to suddenly rush into the profession becuase it is now legal and therefore magically acceptable. It will always be a tainted and stigmatised industry - but lets try protect those poor souls that are forced to descend into it.

With a legal status they will also be able to qualify for medical aid.

Everyone wins.

Another way people exploit women. You wouldn’t even think that we received rights only around 50-100 years ago.

In my opinion, it is pure vile.

Even though it may benefit the country and the employees themselves. But, we are losing our humanity even more due to these Acts. I just hope S.A reconsider their recent decision.


[edit on 11/3/2010 by BlackPoison94]

prostitution will be going on during the world cup if its legal or not.

The ANC just figured if the legalize and regulate it then they can also cash in on it... let just hope they dont figure the same about illegal narcotics.

Morons, selling morals to fund there luxury life-styles

Hi
You guys have no idea... I am from South Africa and the ruling ANC party is a joke. I am busy preparing a thread on the conditions here as it relates to the safety of white South Africans.

Before I get flamed for rascism, google "South African Farm Murders" and have a read.

Here are some links...
Shoot the boers
Kill the farmer

Thats to get you guys started...

The situation here is horrific. Lawlessness is the rule here. Police take no responsibility and do not protect citizens.

Back to the topic...
There is a very large population of Nigerians here illegally and
have taken over the drug trade. They force young girls into prostitution after they have become addicted to the free drugs. There will be no regulation of prostitution once legalised. They say this will leave more time to attend to other matters if prostitution is legalised. They will more than likely focus there attention on finding the "illegal prostitutes" who have not registered and extort bribes from them, while the murderers and rapists go about their business unchecked.

Stories abound of corrupt cops setting up impromtu checkpoints around lunchtime for the sole purpose of collecting bribes from unlicensed taxi drivers (of which there are literally thousands) in order to pay for there daily KFC. I am not joking.

On the subject of the World Cup Soccer, I would warn those who intend coming here to brush up on your street smarts.
A local TV station recently aired a segment in which criminals announced their intentions to rob tourists attending the world cup. If you come here, be prepared. Spread the word. It is a jungle here, full of wild animals.

Anyway, I will leave the rest for a proper thread...

Regards

reply to post by V1g0r0u5


Ah this picture of apocaplypse that you paint. It is so bad, that you must be too afraid to even leave your house, right?

Or do you have a job? Maybe, you go to the mall, movies, maybe even the pub or clubs. Goodness, you are such a brave creature.

Of course those legalized prositutes pose an even greater threat to you ... I am sure they are going to raid your house, force you to watch porn and take drugs. They will burn down your church and molest your pets.

Get real ... we have crime in South Africa. We have corrupt politicians and police.
But it is nowhere as bad as the picture you want to paint.

reply to post by V1g0r0u5


I am from South Africa too... Cape Town. I was in Parklands, Blouberg the other day, and it is as you say. Illegal Nigerians everywhere, a friend of mine lived there 5 years ago, and in that short space of time it has changed so immensely.

My boyfriend pointed out a couple of prostitutes on the corner in a the residential area. That is insane. The area has been taken over by Nigerian drug lords and prostitutes.

I will be keeping an eye out for your thread. Be prepared though, people who are not from South Africa do not understand to which extent this country is being run into the ground. If Julius Malema (head of the youth league) ends up being voted as president like Jacob Zuma (former head of the youth league) I would just die. No Jokes.

reply to post by Ghost in the Machine


Well I fail to see how it would prevent rape and murder. I am no prude but I think that it is a bad move that will be a gateway to legalisation of prostitution. However as a previous poster has stated prostition has been legalised via escorts. Unfortunately there will still be the streetwalkers and the pimping as not everyone will accept the legal status. Besides why pay taxes if you hithero have not??

And where will said legal brothers be located?? Definately not next to those who approve!

reply to post by deltaalphanovember

Get real ... we have crime in South Africa. We have corrupt politicians and police. But it is nowhere as bad as the picture you want to paint.

We are heading that way fast..... And yes, it is that bad. Corruption is out of control and Julius Malema's latest speech is going to cause alot problems for us in the near future.

reply to post by deltaalphanovember


DAN, it is hard to make sense of your post. I am not trying to paint an apocolyptic picture of the situation in South Africa. I am telling it like it is. Perhaps you stay in your house all day and have no idea what is going on.

It is irresponsible to paint a rosy picture of SA for tourists.

"Get real ... we have crime in South Africa. We have corrupt politicians and police.
But it is nowhere as bad as the picture you want to paint."

Have a look at these crime statistics, and then have a look at where South Africa ranks in the murder department.

You also seem to think that prostitutes enter the profession voluntarily.

"No, I don't think this is going to cause a lot of women to suddenly rush into the profession becuase it is now legal and therefore magically acceptable. It will always be a tainted and stigmatised industry - but lets try protect those poor souls that are forced to descend into it. "

If these poor souls are forced to descend into it, how will legalising prostitution help their situation?

Get real, my friend. And as for being brave, I can take care of myself and I do not live in fear. I can see from your avatar that you fancy yourself a Ninja.

I hope you don't become a crime statistic, but when you do, we can discuss your views on crime in South Africa again.

Regards

reply to post by jinx880101


Julius Malema is a clever man - he is using the discontent of the masses to cause a ground swell of popular support. Much like Mugabe has always done.
So he is a man to be feared. But the more we talk about him, the more we give him power because he feeds off negative opinion from the MSM - it legitimizes him in the eyes of his followers.

On the subject of legal prostitution, let's look at a real world argument:

The Case for Legalized Prostitution

In Newark, New Jersey, the estimate is that close to 60% of all prostitutes carry the AIDS virus. Yet, in the relatively "free market" of Nevada, where prostitution is legal, not one (as of 1989) of the state-licensed prostitutes has ever tested positive for AIDS.

Interesting - a properly regulated sex industry is better than beetroot and showers after sex.

How about our high crime rate?

Let's look at the price tag for a moment. It is estimated that one in every ten police officers works on vice-related activities. Currently, it is assumed that as much as one-half of a typical urban city's prison female population are prostitutes. In fact, the city of Los Angeles alone spends close to 100 million dollars annually dealing with illegal prostitution. The real cost, of course, is that these public resources could have been used to protect law-abiding citizens from real criminals.

Our police office are stretched to the limit - a lot of their time is spent on locking up prostitues when they could be dealing with more serious crimes.

Can we apply this to South Africa's unique situation? I believe we could.

I think there's a difference between legalising prostitution and organised (sex & drug) crime.

Personally, if someone, be it male or female, wants to sell themselves for sex, so be it. I have no qualms with it. I myself am not interested in it, nor would I ever pay for sex. But that's my belief and I don't expect everyone to agree.

If we're talking people forced into it due to violence, drugs, etc - that's one thing which needs to be rectified!

However, if we're talking adults as viewed legally by the law, of conscious mind and will - then fine. There's no problem with it. It certainly doesn't mean a country is falling into chaos.

People think if something that is morally questionable and is currently illegal, were to suddenly be made legal means everyone will partake in it and society will crumble. For example, let's say the UK decided that class A drugs were suddenly no longer illegal - that doesn't mean you'd have millions flocking to it.

Same goes for prozzies.

[edit on 11-3-2010 by noonebutme]

reply to post by V1g0r0u5


ninja? huh? I know nothing about martial arts ... although not relevant to the discussion, I see how you can think this of my avatar even tho it was not my intention. Maybe the black background should be green with yellow spots.

My viewpoint on many cases of prositution is that it is an economic issue - so whether forced against your will by a Nigerian, or forced against your will because you cannot afford to pay rent/food/ school fees is still essentially "forced".

And who am I to deny such a person basic human rights such as access to medical aid etc. Ever tried to apply for a loan or buy a car? You have to provide 3 months bank statements, proof that you have job etc.
They are forced into the shadows of society because they are not treated as citizens.

[edit on 11/3/2010 by deltaalphanovember]

Originally posted by deltaalphanovember
reply to post by jinx880101

 

Julius Malema is a clever man -

With that little sentence you have just lost all credibility in my eyes.

Your arguments make no sense. You credit a man for inciting hatred against whites. Hate speech which leads to more attacks on whites.

You quote statistics from another country. How many unlicenced prostitutes were tested for AIDS in Nevada?

Why are the cops so busy locking up prostitues? Because they are easy targets. By wanting to legalise the profession, the implication is that it is not considered to be a real crime.

Originally posted by V1g0r0u5

Originally posted by deltaalphanovember
reply to post by jinx880101

 

Julius Malema is a clever man -

With that little sentence you have just lost all credibility in my eyes.

I despise that "clever" little man more than you know - what I have seen in my life would make your hair go white. By the way, I think Mugabe is an evil genius too ... sorry to dissapoint you.

I am not posting here in order to gain or maintain my credibility in your eyes - merely to state my opinion that legalizing prostitution is not necessarily a bad thing.

reply to post by deltaalphanovember


Fair enough.

While I understand the case you have made for legalised prostitution, and some points do have merit, I think the police should be going after the Nigerian pimps first before legalising it. While they are running the show, prostitutes will not get ahead in life, legal or otherwise.

Peace

reply to post by V1g0r0u5


On that point we find common ground ... root out the REAL criminals, and only then will we start making progress.

reply to post by noonebutme

However, if we're talking adults as viewed legally by the law, of conscious mind and will - then fine. There's no problem with it. It certainly doesn't mean a country is falling into chaos.

The mentality is the problem, saying "we need to keep our visitors happy, by allowing them legal access to prostitutes..." that to me is a problem.

If they were really worried about rape and the aids issue, they would have legalized prostitution long ago.

The rest are just excuses to validate this choice. They are merely afterthoughts.