Doctors and the govt suppressing the truth about autism causes and possible cures, page 1
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Topic started on 10-3-2010 @ 10:49 AM by FortAnthem
This stuff infuriates me to no end.

Jenny McCarthy, a mother who has nursed her child back from autism, has written an article exposing how possible cures for autism are suppressed by the medical community and how the government only seeks to protect the big pharmaceutical companies when seeking the causes for this condition.


Who's Afraid Of The Truth About Autism?


Parents of recovered children, and I've met hundreds, all share the same experience of doubters and deniers telling us our child must have never even had autism or that the recovery was simply nature's course. We all know better, and frankly we're too busy helping other parents to really care.

Corner one of the hundreds of doctors who specialize in autism recovery, and they'll tell you stories of dozens of kids in their practice who no longer have autism. Ask them to speak to the press and they'll run for the door. They know better.

Most doctors in our community share a common trait: their own child regressed into autism. They fixed their kid first and knew they'd have to spend their lives helping parents do the same, accepting the loss of "mainstream" status in their field.

Who's afraid of autism recovery? Perhaps it's the diagnosticians and pediatricians who have made a career out of telling parents autism is a hopeless condition.

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Is it possible all these things are related? Could we afford to give fewer shots slightly later and possibly reduce these chronic conditions? How do you go on a hunt for toxins and not consider vaccines?

The parents of children with autism aren't crazy. We're recovering our kids. We're trying to help other parents do the same, and we hope new parents can avoid our fate.

There has to be room for moderation on vaccines, for a recognition that one size does not fit all, for an honest dialogue around risks and benefits, and for a willingness to maybe delay or scale back some vaccines. How come many other countries give their kids one-third as many shots as we do?

Health authorities said autism was caused by cold mothers; parents proved them wrong. They said kids didn't regress into autism; parents proved them wrong. They said kids with autism weren't more sick with gastrointestinal issues; parents proved them wrong. They said autism was genetic and this epidemic wasn't real; parents proved them wrong. Is now the time to bet against the parents?

Who's afraid of the truth? Usually the people it would hurt the most.

Read more:
Huffington Post


As a parent of a child diagnosed with autism, I am extremely frustrated by all of the denials and cover-ups involved with this issue.

Doctors should not be afraid to go public with cures for this or any disease for fear of having their reputations or finances ruined. The problem is, if the cure doesn't involve some expensive pill or surgery, the pharmaceutical industry will discredit and sue them into submission.

The government agencies set in place to protect us have become the lap dogs of the industries they were put in place to regulate and use most of their resources to protect the bottom line of those industries over protecting the little guy. Money talks and the public welfare be damned.


reply posted on 10-3-2010 @ 11:51 AM by TheIrvy
I think it's important to differentiate between autism, and what's going on in our day care centres and autism "treatments".

I am autistic. Both of my parents and my 2 siblings are also autistic, with each of us being on our own place on the "spectrum". None of us has ever been anywhere near a doctor or medication to "treat" our autism, because none of us are sick or suffering.

The "problem" with autism is that people with absolutely no idea of what it's like to be autistic are seeing it as a disease and trying to "cure" it, which amounts to "make them like us". It's similar to not that long ago when left handedism was seen as something unnatural, and children would have their left hands tied to the arm of their chair and forced to write with their right hand.

Different is not wrong, nor is it a disease. The accomplishments made throughout human history by autistic humans are often ignored, and certainly not credited to autism.

I believe that autistic people are natural "shamans", for want of a better term. If you look through any of the new age sites about what qualities you need in order to unlock chakras, meditate, etc, and then look at a list of the qualities an autistic person has, you'll find a lot of similarities. Autistic people have a natural control over their emotions. Many perceive this as a lack of emotions, esp parents of a non communicative child, but that quite simply isn't the case. We have a high level of emotional control, along with a much higher focus than our non-autistic brethren. Our logical and analytical skills are also very high. There is also a much higher level of aptitude to "telepathic" abilities. That's why many of us choose not to communicate verbally. It's quite simply just not the best way to get an idea across.

Now I'm sure there'll be a care worker along in a minute to get very angry at me. If you ever suggest to someone who works with autism that the real cause of "the problems with autism" come from a lack of understanding and innappropriate care, they get very angry and refuse to accept it, and on many occasions have disregarded everything I have to say, because I'm just a disabled autistic fool. And yet, anyone who has worked in care with autistic people, which I have for many years, in their first introduction to autism they are told that the only people who truely understand autism are autistic people. I don't pretend to understand non-autistic people or their society. You lie too much. Your entire social system is constructed on deceit and misdirection. Review your last week, and ask yourself how often you have to lie just to get along in social interactions.

Autism is yet another of the areas where Big Pharma is poisoning the population with their chemicals and "treatments" designed to confuse and neutralise us. As a result, mankind is currently without it's guides, without it's shamans, and just how much of a role that plays in how messed up society is right now, I just don't know. I do know that they fear us, and want us out of the picture.


reply posted on 10-3-2010 @ 12:39 PM by jenny52
reply to post by FortAnthem



I would like to know more too please.
My daughter was diagnosed as having Aspergers last year, while at university - at the age of 27. She has worked with young people with 'special needs' for 10 years and loves her work so much that she looks forward to every day with them.

She is also a natural 'shaman' and healer.

TheIrvy what you say coroborates what I know my wonderful daughter to be. Thank you


reply posted on 10-3-2010 @ 12:43 PM by riley
Originally posted by TheIrvy
The "problem" with autism is that people with absolutely no idea of what it's like to be autistic are seeing it as a disease and trying to "cure" it, which amounts to "make them like us". It's similar to not that long ago when left handedism was seen as something unnatural, and children would have their left hands tied to the arm of their chair and forced to write with their right hand.

Different is not wrong, nor is it a disease. The accomplishments made throughout human history by autistic humans are often ignored, and certainly not credited to autism.

You may be autistic but you certainly do not represent all people on the spectrum. Be thankful that you have the ability to actually communicate.. if you had any real insight into autism you would not compare all autism to something as trivial as lefthandedness. Aspergers/HFA and LFA are two very different conditions.. I'm betting you and your syblings have been diagnosed with aspergers? are capable of taking care of yourself with at least some measure of independence and able to function as part of the community? Hold down a job, study have families of your own perhaps? Accusing society of just having a biggotry against those who are different is basically ommiting the entire existence of LFAs for your convenience. What about those on the severe end of the spectrum? Are you just sweeping them under the carpet? You know.. people that never develop language skills or develop past being a toddler and have to be cared for their entire lives and will always be dependent? No being different is not a disease but you cannot speak for all autistics when some can't even speak. That is not just "being different" they have a terrible affliction that imprisons them their entire lives.

Comparing autistics to shamons? Yeah okay.. if you want to be the new indigo children go right ahead but please do not make it at the expense of low functioning autistics. You are not doing them any favours.

edit. I do not intend to sound so harsh but I have seen alot of (self proclaimed) "aspies" promoting autism as being like some sort of super power.. some have even been touting it as "the next stage of evolution". Yes some people with autism are gifted but that does not mean all are. Yes some just need society to accept and understand them.. but some need to much more than that and if you promote the idea that they don't people will miss out on that help.

For the record I've met many people with "aspergers" and I probably qualify.. they used to be just called daydreamers or eccentrics.

[edit on 10-3-2010 by riley]


reply posted on 10-3-2010 @ 12:51 PM by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by TheIrvy
The "problem" with autism is that people with absolutely no idea of what it's like to be autistic are seeing it as a disease and trying to "cure" it, which amounts to "make them like us". It's similar to not that long ago when left handedism was seen as something unnatural, and children would have their left hands tied to the arm of their chair and forced to write with their right hand.

Different is not wrong, nor is it a disease. The accomplishments made throughout human history by autistic humans are often ignored, and certainly not credited to autism.

You may be autistic but you certainly do not represent all people on the spectrum. Be thankful that you have the ability to actually communicate.. if you had any real insight into autism you would not compare all autism to something as trivial as lefthandedness. Aspergers/HFA and LFA are two very different conditions.. I'm betting you and your syblings have been diagnosed with aspergers? are capable of taking care of yourself with at least some measure of independence and able to function as part of the community? Hold down a job, study have families of your own perhaps? Accusing society of just having a biggotry against those who are different is basically ommiting the entire existence of LFAs for your convenience. What about those on the severe end of the spectrum? Are you just sweeping them under the carpet? You know.. people that never develop language skills or develop past being a toddler and have to be cared for their entire lives and will always be dependent? No being different is not a disease but you cannot speak for all autistics when some can't even speak. That is not just "being different" they have a terrible affliction that imprisons them their entire lives.

Comparing autictics to shamons? Yeah okay.. if you want to be the new indigo children go right ahead but please do not make it at the expense of low functioning autistics. You are not doing them ny favours.


Very well said. Unfortunately, the term 'autism' makes people think of one generalized thing. It is obviously not that.

Many(certainly not all) people with autism struggle with cognitive recognition-that is, realizing that others have thoughts and motives and the such, and that their motives are not the same as everyones..

Now, prepared to be flamed. I have made these comments before as well. It doesnt go over well with some of the people here.

[edit on 10-3-2010 by captaintyinknots]


reply posted on 10-3-2010 @ 12:56 PM by hotpinkurinalmint
reply to post by MikeNice81



Court cases and litigation do not necessarily prove something is true. If this were the case, then we would all believe OJ Simpson is looking for his wife's real killer. Jurors can be swayed by emotion. Jurors may also award a plaintiff money, even if the law does not allow damages, because they feel sorry for the plaintiff and/or they feel the defendant can easily pay the money.

The fact of the matter is people settle law suits all the time even if they think they are right. It is less risky and less costly for pharmaceutical companies to pay off plaintiffs than to go to trial.


reply posted on 10-3-2010 @ 02:28 PM by scraze
I wasn't sure whether it was a good idea to post this - in fact, I almost didn't write it either. But like someone once told me, there's nothing worse than giving up before trying. So I tried hard, and now post this in the hope that it ends up doing some good.

Autism (like many, many terms out there) is a word used for a
collection of symptoms. The disorders causing those symptoms can be very different, just as the precise collection of symptoms. The diagnosis, subsequently, is more a reflection of certain symptoms than an analysis of causes (as is common with physical diseases).

What Jenny McCarthy is doing right now is claiming authority over how autism works. No good scientist would ever dream of doing that, and most certainly not for something that entails many different mechanisms, possible causes, etc.. It's impossible to claim any one thing about something that actually entails many different things (see first paragraph ).

For McCarthy the only thing that counts is that there are many children diagnosed with autism who actually can recover. I understand that it is a very important message to spread, and commend her intentions. For those parents, she is doing just the right thing.
However, by completely ignoring the complexities of the diagnosis itself (!), she might very well be offering false hope to parents of children who may never 'recover' from autism.

To 'recover' from anything implies that one regressed into the state to recover from. By referring to autism in general, McCarthy seems to claim that all kinds of autism are cases of regression. However, I would like to emphasize that a childs brain is heavily developing throughout youth (with many different stages), and that many parts of the brain interact with the environment to specialize as to develop all the skills we need. At any time of that 'interactive specialization, both the environment and the brain itself (!) are of critical importance for the development (this is pretty much from the moment of conception - the uterus is an environment as well).

Whether by a neurological, biological, socio-emotional or other cause - when brain parts fail to specialize, it will affect any following interactions with the environment. In a way, this can act as a snowball effect; brain parts work together in order to develop, and thereby often affect each other. Since social interaction is one of the most complex events a human brain can get to handle, any type of interruption in the development of the brain could end up having a huge effect. When such an interruption occurs during a critical stage of the interactive specialization (e.g. the forming of synapses after 4 months, when synapses in visual and auditory cortex are fully formed, but the prefrontal cortex is still neurologically building up; or in the first year when the fusiform face area is forming, by which eye-contact becomes a very conscious effort - etc.), the effects on the subsequent forming of the brain can be immense, and as such, irrevokable; especially when it comes to interactive specialization. It may very well be possible for the child to progress through therapy, but recovery is not the right word nor concept. The development of the brain is not a static process, but instead heavily interactive; while initial allocation may be fairly static, subsequent use and interaction of brain parts dictates eventual development. A well-known example is that of children growing up without human contact; in those cases that the child (or adult, often) eventually enters society, it is nigh impossible to learn to correctly speak any of humanity's languages, even though there is evidence for specific language acquisition mechanisms in the brain. The child can learn to communicate sufficiently, and thus 'recover' in a sense, but will never experience language in the same way as we do.

I hope my explanation of the complexities of this issue makes some sense to you. As I said, I wasn't sure if I should even have written this, but I felt obliged to. It's a commendable thing to realize something could and should be done differently and to reach out and offer hope, but offering hope without understanding the matter seems like the kind of thing this site has a slogan for (I mean that in the kindest way). The way she portrays the matter by stating things like "They fixed their kids first" is simplistic - a story of simple causes and easy fixes, which is just not the way the brain works. It takes a lot of time and effort, sometimes more than one person without the help of technology or medication could muster (parents have proven that too, Jenny!). So please be careful with your emotions; do not immediately jump on the bandwagon, but be aware of the complicated nature of both the diagnosis and disorder. Don't stop hoping; but try to hope for the right thing.


[edit on 10-3-2010 by scraze]


reply posted on 10-3-2010 @ 03:10 PM by Pocky
reply to post by FortAnthem



Look, one day we will have an AutismGate, just like we have a Climiate Gate.


Somebody from within will expose them. The only reason we know all we know about the Illuminati is because of all the whisteblowers. Truth cannot be surpressed forever.

.. and what the whisteblowers have been saying also ties in with vaccines being used to supress the immune systems of people and coupled with the GMO foods and chemtrails create all sorts of problems.
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