What Percentage of Health Care Costs Are Preventable?, page 1

Reply to post by sparrowstail

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Easy. If you don't know what something is don't eat it. The only igrediant in broccoli is broccoli. You want bread? Flour, salt, water, eggs and you got bread.

It takes an awful lot less effort to eat what you should than people claim. There is far more work involved with the waste and packaging and consuming of pre-made garbage.

If illiterate people living in mud huts and caves can eat vegetables and good grains and produce their own breads, cakes and crackers and beer and wine then so can we.

It's not Krafts fault the US is full of morons. The guy selling the snake oil didn't make the buyers stupid. He just noticed how stupid they all were.

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Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by sparrowstail
Despite the science and education available why are we and the companies responsible, enabled to continually make poor choices and not be accountable in any way?

Because we are all human beings with the ability to make choices for ourselves and I would argue that we are all held accountable for those choices in one way or another.

With any of the three choices above, I'm slowly killing myself but it's my choice. If I'm ok with that, why should someone else step in and try to prevent me from making those choices? Placing even more regulations on what people can choose to do to themselves isn't the way to go. Which is why prohibition didn't work and why the war on drugs isn't working.

First off I am not proposing regulations for consumers but rather for producers. Sure you can have all the choices you want. Do you not think though some mothers or fathers will think twice now before buying that 24 of Pepsi knowing how much more dangerous for the pancreas or your blood sugar regular consumption is for their children. I am talking about bring information to the forefront not policing the products.

Second, I guess if I smoke 2 packs a day I should be entitled to be as employable as a non smoker, but I'm not. Companies can now avoid hiring a smoker because they have proved in court a smoker is not good for their business.

I think the point is being missed. I am talking about bringing balance to the market place not regulating it or preventing consumers from buying what they will. In the end you will buy what you want anyway.

With the responses I am getting, it's funny you all have agreed to go to schools or are even part of a town or society in general. How did you chose to buy one of only so many available models of car in the US? Are you sure your Toyotas are safe?

Feel free to take a look at a couple examples of what I am talking about.



and one at a more grass roots level



Man tough crowd


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reply to post by sparrowstail

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What Percentage of Health Care Costs Are Preventable is indeed a good question if it's your job to cut health care costs. Since it is not, your remark implies that a fat person will cost more to take care of than a thin person. I ask you, where does this type of madness stop? It wont, it will only get worse when you begin to think that you know so much about something you really don't.

To apply your logic ignores the fact that many of our food sources and drinks are all contaminated with toxins, poisons and things allowed by the FDA that cause cancer, liver failures, diabetes, colon issues, and a laundry list of ailments that will need to be paid for when it gets so bad you don't have a choice.

Wouldn't it be better to begin with safer standards for food and liquids that will not contribute to these self induced cancers and costly medical conditions? I feel this issue with our foods and consumables is more a cause of high medical costs than any fat person who drinks what is available and while I personally am not a fat person, I use to be and I know what fat implies when someone says, "you're fat cause you wont stop eating, so it's all your fault", well that's a sorry excuse for a solution to high costs.

We could improve overall health and longevity with just addressing public water but then again I'm sure you would say that since we drank the water willingly that somehow it's our fault that we end up getting cancer.

Well, I for one don't see your logic as being complete or even broad enough to encompass the many causes of high medical costs.

How about addressing the medical corruption? Now there's a multi-billion dollar fraud system that if anyone would address could begin to save the billions in corruption and medical fraud that permeates our medical system.

I will tell you that the moment you used fat people as an example, I knew exactly what type of person you are and the sooner you apologize to fat people for your insensitivity and callous disregard for actual facts the sooner the better.

Reply to post by sparrowstail

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I didn't agree to be part of society but I did choose where I live and what I do. It makes things slightly more bearable.

I chose my car by balancing my budget, my needs, and sources like Consumer Reports.

I chose my school by balancing cost, location, courses offered.

Try living your own life (as much as government will permit you too). It isn't as hard as they'd like you to think it is.

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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by sparrowstail

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Easy. If you don't know what something is don't eat it. The only igrediant in broccoli is broccoli. You want bread? Flour, salt, water, eggs and you got bread.

It takes an awful lot less effort to eat what you should than people claim. There is far more work involved with the waste and packaging and consuming of pre-made garbage.

If illiterate people living in mud huts and caves can eat vegetables and good grains and produce their own breads, cakes and crackers and beer and wine then so can we.

It's not Krafts fault the US is full of morons. The guy selling the snake oil didn't make the buyers stupid. He just noticed how stupid they all were.

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I can not argue with your logic there, In fact it mirrors much of my own, however, If North America all thought this way the majority of treated illness would be of the genetic kind and not self induced. Many doctors refuse treating patients who continually ignore their recommendations to make improvements to their wellness.

And about the snake oil salesman, when his secret did get out he was tarred and feather or worse.


It's not necessary for the snake oilists to run the show.

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It has become politically correct to say health problems are self-created - and blame the victims. True, some are - but life is complicated. We live in a hugely contaminated, polluted world - there is no doubt that much of our air, water and food make us sick.

Our Western medical system won't treat most disease in its early stages - insurance terms are written, and doctors are trained, NOT to acknowledge common, chronic, modern diseases until they have progressed to acute and sometimes life threatening stages.

Preventive medicine, instead of late stage interventions, would go a long way to cutting health care costs.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of really crappy research "proving" that preventive medicine is far more expensive than standard Western medicine. ...But really, it's all about who profits (Big Pharma, device industries, etc.) and who picks up the tab (medical insurance OR disability insurance OR unemployment insurance OR government OR the victims....).

Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by sparrowstail

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It has become politically correct to say health problems are self-created - and blame the victims. True, some are - but life is complicated. We live in a hugely contaminated, polluted world - there is no doubt that much of our air, water and food make us sick.

Our Western medical system won't treat most disease in its early stages - insurance terms are written, and doctors are trained, NOT to acknowledge common, chronic, modern diseases until they have progressed to acute and sometimes life threatening stages.

Preventive medicine, instead of late stage interventions, would go a long way to cutting health care costs.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of really crappy research "proving" that preventive medicine is far more expensive than standard Western medicine. ...But really, it's all about who profits (Big Pharma, device industries, etc.) and who picks up the tab (medical insurance OR disability insurance OR unemployment insurance OR government OR the victims....).

I just asked a question of what percentage are, I didn't say all were.
I think preventative medicine starts in the home and in schools. As well through public service announcements and other educational fronts. Any research that shows preventative as being more expensive is really crappy.

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Apologies, I edited the post.

sparrow

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It would appear that we are talking about two very different things and that perhaps regulation was not the word you intended you use. 9 times out of 10 when people start talking about regulations, what they mean is making something more difficult or impossible to obtain and/or do legally. That is completely different from putting a label on a can that says "Lots of Sugar + Kids = Diabetes".

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