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Originally posted by inforeal
With all due respect to you dixie70, I don’t know of any Native Americans who aren’t and were not civilized. It is and was the whites who weren’t civilized in their destruction of the Native American and African cultures.
As for the modern Native Americans and African Americans, you have to understand that just because it is decades in question; the rape, pillage, murder, and oppression of those people can indeed have effects that last over centuries.
Certainly no Black or Native American person shopuld use their historical plight as an excuse for bad behavior today, nonetheless to forget the historical crime against these people and not consider that as contributing to their modern problems is wrong, IMO.
not only that, EVERY race owned slaves. not just whites. 88% of all slave owners owned less than 20 slaves.
Originally posted by BlueLightRain
I always wondered why throughout history, there were so many authentic african american christians. It seems absurd to believe in the higher power forced on one by an oppressor. It would make sense to go through the motions to avoid persecution but beyond that...
Originally posted by ButterCookie
Originally posted by BlueLightRain
I always wondered why throughout history, there were so many authentic african american christians. It seems absurd to believe in the higher power forced on one by an oppressor. It would make sense to go through the motions to avoid persecution but beyond that...
Thank you. This is EXACTLY my point.
I am not religious at all...No head bowing to any god for me.
I squirm to see how blacks (as I myself am) fill the pews in every church across the bible belt every Sunday without missing a beat, and even pass on this 'slavery' tradition on down to their children and grandchildren.
Like you stated, I can see the Africans practicing this religion to combat oppression and adjust to slavery, but beyond that.....
I find that many blacks (I'm about to be brutally honest) do not understand or know much of their own history, much less anyone else's. Lots of time when posed to them, they turn away from it ( I guess out of shame) and chose not to learn it, and so that may be why they are so succeptable to not only accepting but EMBRACING the one of their oppressors.
Originally posted by Ausar
no white person reigned over the system of life that egyptians practiced. so even if some invaders came and claimed they held power in that location; the black people divided unto themselves at the disunion that one persons personal epiphany of unity wrought.black people were never a people that said; "all is one and one is all", their value came from knowing their place in existence and being good at it.
Originally posted by poet1b
First of all, most slaves were taken to S America, which is mainly Catholic, which is a version of Christianity
Originally posted by ButterCookie
Originally posted by BlueLightRain
I always wondered why throughout history, there were so many authentic african american christians. It seems absurd to believe in the higher power forced on one by an oppressor. It would make sense to go through the motions to avoid persecution but beyond that...
Thank you. This is EXACTLY my point.
I am not religious at all...No head bowing to any god for me.
I squirm to see how blacks (as I myself am) fill the pews in every church across the bible belt every Sunday without missing a beat, and even pass on this 'slavery' tradition on down to their children and grandchildren.
Like you stated, I can see the Africans practicing this religion to combat oppression and adjust to slavery, but beyond that.....
I find that many blacks (I'm about to be brutally honest) do not understand or know much of their own history, much less anyone else's. Lots of time when posed to them, they turn away from it ( I guess out of shame) and chose not to learn it, and so that may be why they are so succeptable to not only accepting but EMBRACING the one of their oppressors.
Originally posted by ButterCookie
The Invisibility of The Black Atheist
It can be argued that in most African American communities it is more acceptable to be a criminal who believes in God and goes to church on Sunday while selling drugs to kids all week than to be an atheist who has a good job, a good education, who contributes to society and supports his family. In these communities you find more tolerance towards gangbangers, drug addicts, and prostitutes, who pray to God for forgiveness than for honest productive citizens who deny the existence of God. This, for me, is one of the most embarrassing elements of Black culture, our zealous embracement of the God of our kidnappers, murderers, slavemasters and oppressors.
wordsofwrath.blogspot.com...
I am a black African-American woman who identifies with the author. I left religion a few years ago. It seems insane, even sad to know that most blacks tend to embrace the 'white' Christ/God more than the white slave masters did themselves. I know that in the time of slavery, they used shackels, guns, and whips.....