What Really Happens In A Gunfight, page 5
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reply posted on 6-5-2011 @ 10:54 AM by macman
reply to post by Freq Of Nature


Yep, because it is always the fault of either drugs, society and such, and not the person.
You go ahead and stay unarmed. I will stay armed, train like I need it and pray I never have to use it.


reply posted on 6-5-2011 @ 07:22 PM by mwood
reply to post by Freq Of Nature




In 1993 I was walking home after work which was about 3/4 of a mile to the house. I turned a corner and there were 2 guys there, one was up against the wall and the other one was in front of him and they were arguing and then the guy on the outside started punching the guy against the wall in the stomach about 5-6 times. the guy getting "hit" started screaming and slid down the wall. The attacker saw me standing there and asked "what the
F--ck are you looking at?" The other guy was laying there crying

I froze up and didn't say anything and he asked "you want some too bitch?" and when he turned towards me and I saw he was holding a knife. It hit me what just happened and that the guy hadn't got punched but stabbed multiple times.

The attacker started walking towards me calling me a bunch of names I cant type on here and threatening to kill me. I finally snapped out of my daze when I realized what I had walked into.

I put my hand inside my jacket and on the grip of my pistol ( I have had a concealed carry permit since 1991)
He was about 50' away from me and asked "what the Fu--k you gonna do?" and I pulled my pistol out of the holster and held it down pointed at the ground. He notified me that he was going to "cut my Fu--king heart out!"

He started walking towards me slowly and threatening to kill me and I pointed the gun at him and told him I didn't want any trouble with him and that he should just leave.

He said "the F---K I will" and he ran towards me and I fired. When he darted at me so quickly I just pointed and fired at his center of mass but in the panic I actually hit him in the left shoulder. He got crazy then and screamed and rushed towards me and I fired twice hitting him in the chest and he fell down and just kept saying
"You fu--cking shot me, call 911".

I called 911 and reported the shooting. Multiple police showed up with an ambulance and a fire truck and took my weapon and handcuffed me for about an hour and then I was released once everything was sorted out.

The guy died on the way to the hospital. The shooting was ruled self-defense and after about 3 months I received my pistol back.

The guy had 6 felony warrants and the police had been looking for him for a few months and had been in and out of juvenile & jail since he was 14.

The point is: Sometimes you find yourself in situations very quickly where your life is threatened and there is no way out. I know I couldn't have out run the guy as he was half my age. I did what I believed I had to.

I really could care less if he was a product of society, the economy, his mommy didn't love him enough or he had an alcoholic father. Everyone has choices and he made his and what sucks is, he made mine for me also

Not a week goes by when I don't dream about that night and relive the whole thing. If people think that it's easy to shoot / kill someone their dead wrong. Even though the guy was a crack head and a serious scum bag I still feel bad about taking a life. I still think about it and wonder if there was another way out besides what happened and that happened 18 years ago! I guess it is something you never get over but I am happily married, have 5 great kids and a good life which I wouldn't have had otherwise. I could have been laying in the street dead instead of him.

I hate that it happened but I will do it again if need be to protect myself or someone else, even you Freq.

Carrying a firearm is something you should NOT take lightly because if you have to use it it can change your life forever.

The weapon I carried was a Sig P226 9mm., I still have it to this day, still carry it & pray hope I never have to pull it out again in defense.

Edit: The guy that got stabbed died also and Ifound out they had had problems with each other before. This time I just got caught up in it.
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And yeah Daddybare, from him turning towards me till it ended was probably 20-30 seconds.
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reply posted on 6-5-2011 @ 07:34 PM by ADVISOR
reply to post by DaddyBare


Originally posted by DaddyBare
Since we have so many new people on ATS I thought I should give this thread a bump
second line.... Hey who ate my Twinkies???


Dang it, you noticed....

Yeah, I ran out of munchies, so staged a raid on your compound.

Oh by the way, might want to rethink security. Place was wide open, doing some spring cleaning?




reply posted on 7-5-2011 @ 01:34 AM by ANNED
I never had any confrontations at close range nor in a town or city.

It must be because i keep one eye on what is going on around me. i am always scanning,

I have had three times i have drawn a weapon in rural areas.

I had one case where some idiot fired three round into the ground in front of my truck while i was driving in the desert.
I popped out of my truck with a M1 carbine and fired at the ridge where the shots came from and heard a motorcycle leaving down the other side.
Always wondered what the guys point was firing in front of my truck.

One of the others was when a few of us caught a thief stealing mining equipment from a mine.

Me and another friend had been going to the mine and saw the guy loading up the equipment and blocked the only road with our truck while the third guy with us went to town to call the cops.

The thief thought he could bluff us and drove his truck at us at high speed,
I pulled my AR15 and let him know that was not going to work.
He then tried to get away by driving cross country and wreaked his truck and we just waited and watched him till the cops got there.
He did 5 years for grand theft.

The third time was also at a mine.
Two guy climbed over a lock and posted gate tripping a motion detector and walked up to the mine about a 1/4 mile up the road both were carrying high powered rifles.
We had heard the motion detector go off and were watching them.
As they got to the mine we were waiting in the woods and yelled to them that they had better get a**es off the property or we would open fire.

They could hear us but not see us and we had them caught in the open. they left quickly.

I got a couple photos of them and gave them to the cops but never heard any more.
Always wondered what they had planned that day.
What ever it was we threw a surprise party for them.
Many time being armed and ready will keep you from a gun fight if you play it right.

I keep a can of Bear Repellent(pepper spray) next to my home defence gun encase of anyone breaking in.
It gives me a surprise to play on anyone breaking in and a tactical advantage.

Never play fair.
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reply posted on 7-5-2011 @ 04:14 AM by MikeNice81
Originally posted by sliceNodice
Why would I want to shoot myself to save myself? That doesn't make much sense.
I will tell you what happens in a gunfight. We hold true to our delusions that we are separate from one another and thus our immaturity kills someone or even multiple people, sometimes unintended, we play god and think we have the right to kill and we justify it with all these reasons, some are very convincing...


First of all it is not the legal gun owner that seperates himself from the flock. The gun owner is a proud member of the flock. He stands ready to ensure that he and the rest of the flock can continue to live despite the fact that there are predators outside of the flock.

It is the criminal, that aproaches with the intent to deal deadly force, that has chosen to seperate from society. They have become predators. They wish to live off of the misery of others instead of trying to contribute to the growth of the society. They do not care about "maturing" their world view. They look at you as nothing but a hinderance to their rewards and gratification. You are the wrapper around a candy bar to them. They have decided to play god with your life. They have deemed your life worthless and decided it is their right to choose when you die. By acting against them you are acting with true self determination. You are saying that your life expectency will not be decided by another. You are resisting the darkest of tyrany.




our immaturity kills someone or even multiple people, sometimes unintended


Rarely does an unintended person get shot when a person uses their gun in self defense. You have a better chance of being killed by accidental poisoning, car wrecks, and many other things. You are more likely to injured by a car as a pedestrian than to be injured by a "gun acident." People are not running around shooting up towns and claiming self defense.



A vicious circle is ignited, pain and suffering grows from the incident like a seed, leading invariably somewhere down the line to more death pain and suffering


Wow, that is a statement of pure conjecture. There is no way to prove that. Actually because it is so all inclusive it only takes one instance of negation to disprove. You should try o avoid speaking and thinking in such grandiose generalizations.



Instead of preparing for scenarios to use a gun, which should be trying to prevent such scenarios from occurring in the first place. Imo, the best way is to let the world mature, change your way of life to drastically minimize such a scenario from occurring.


You know most legal gun owners actively seek out ways to avoid dangerous situations. We use situational awareness to avoid places and things that could escelate in to violent encounters. Most gun owners take an aproach to life that is tailored to avoiding unnecessary conflict and excessive danger.

You know what I do to help the world mature, I raise my kid to be respectfull and tolerant. I raise child to act in a way that first does no harm to others. I teach my child to take responsibility for their actions. I also live my life as an example of these principles.

I attempt to avoid confrontation as much as possible. I know when to walk away, when to ignore, and when to avoid certain people or places. I also engage in conversation when I feel offended or that I have been wronged. However, none of that helped when a man with a knife threatened to kill me (as a child) and my mother. It wouldn't have protected my 80 year old invalid neighbor when two men planned to invade her home.

I live my life and I do all I can to avoid needing any level of violence. However, there are many mentally disturbed people out there. There are many people out there who are simply predators. I refuse to allow them to determine the out come of my child's life, my wife's life, or my life.

"Pray for peace but prepare for war."

my version: "Live for peace, but be prepared for war."


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reply posted on 9-5-2011 @ 08:50 AM by DaddyBare
reply to post by sliceNodice


As I have stated many times in this (ATS) board and many others....
You make the decision to protect yourself and your family...
how you chose to do so is your business...

As for me if I had a gun on me the day my son was murdered He would still be alive...I would sleep better at night... and I wouldn't be writing these articles...

Of course your always free to write your own threads... maybe one on how to talk a meth addict into reason... teach him to be all warm and fuzzy...
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