Why is protectionism demonized? Are you a Protectionist?

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posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
God you people are dense.

It blows my mind that after being presented the evidence, people would still choose to be in favor of hurting themselves.

Is this ego or stupidity?

You be the judge.


Thats not the case, just the opposite... We are the ones QUESTIONING the validity of the system, theory and otherwise. While you and others seem to serve as the ground soldier, protecting and doing the foot work for TPTB.

The majority of us have watched these modern trade practices create dreadful results. Wealth has not trickled down, the quality of jobs have decreased... Then there is a correlation between deregulation and the financial crash, yet you seem to advocate for less caution.

So one could ask you, is this ego or stupidity?


Really what you are saying is that the American people should allow the Elites to do and practice whatever they want, are you not?

Simple equation, read the words surrounding your anarchy symbol. Practically you are suggesting that the common man with less political clout remain passive.

If you suggest it is VIOLENT to use government, what REALISTIC form of recourse do the American people have?

IT blows my mind as well, you want me to accept ANYTHING THE ELITES CONJURE UP,
when you very well know that their goal is to acquire, control and condense capital/power... I would say they are succeeding -





[edit on 11-3-2010 by Janky Red]




posted on Mar, 17 2010 @ 09:06 PM
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Free trade generally makes our economy dependent upon the import of CHEAP PRODUCTS that we can't compete with, and reduces things to the lowest denominator.

You are correct, but we cannot by a product no matter how cheap it is if we dont't have jobs. I personally would be willing to pay more just to know that in that purchase I am supporting my own country and it's workers.

I am not as good at some of you highly educated folks at making a great logical argument but I appreciate you letting me vent below.

One of the first post I read on ATS was someone decrying how getting our world view by way of Beck (who I personally like alot), CNN, and other mainstream media sourses has led to our deafness as to what is really going on. This started me to thinking, and I have come to agree with the post. Nothing wrong with listening to what they have to say, but one must sanity check this information against one own common sense, and through other sources like ATS.

The reason include the above statement is this:

When you say that you feel most Americans at heart are protectionist I agree with you. I am so tired of hearing that we must now play in a Global Economy, even if that participation is distroying our country. I guess I am pretty stupid but let me pose this sanario. What if through some cataclism all other land masses except the United States feel into the ocean, or so I don't get a comment tell me how if this happened the U.S. would be under water, the just misteriouly disappered. Are you telling me that we absolutly would not be able to operate as a stand alone entity? We are the biggest consumer nation on earth. Why can't we make what we consume?

Futhermore besides the lost manufacturing, and resultant job losses, lack of national pride etc, there are many other cost we pay in this globalization scheme. For one thing we are losing our soverenty and security because so much of our highest technology is given to potential future enemys not to mention that we are delegating athority for trade laws to the WTO, and United Nations under the guise of Globalism.

And as for the value of diversity, a corporate mantry designed to brainwash us into accepting the unacceptable, we seem to have done pretty well when our factories, industry were run by a vastly homogenous citizenery. For any of you that world argue that we were a hetergenous nation made of many different nationalaties I would point you to what John Jay said in the Federalist Papers:

-With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has
been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people --
a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language,
professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of
government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their
joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a
long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and
independence.-

Ahhh, I am giving out of energy....and it will take me awhile to correct my spelling errors.

So I will state that darn right,, I am a protectionist. When you hear a bigwig espousing the absolute need to bend over and take this Globalism up the bung hole, just follow the money. Hey has the term Corporate Citizenship been removed from Websters.

When I pressed preview on my post I thought it would spell check. It appears it does not, so I am sending as it. Please forgive my sloppness.



posted on Mar, 17 2010 @ 10:48 PM
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Yepper, basically they have a gun to the head of the boomer retirement funds. Even the interest rates on IRAs are so ridiculously low that when taking the current true rate of inflation, which is much higher than the official rate, you are loosing money.

So all the boomers have their retirement funds on the crap table of the stock market, and everytime a seven is rolled to clear the table, they are going to back a government bailout for the casino which is taking their money.



posted on Mar, 18 2010 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by David9176


Protectionism is the economic policy of restraining trade between states, through methods such as tariffs on imported goods, restrictive quotas, and a variety of other government regulations designed to discourage imports, and prevent foreign take-over of native markets and companies. This policy is closely aligned with anti-globalization, and contrasts with free trade, where government barriers to trade and movement of capital are kept to a minimum. The term is mostly used in the context of economics, where protectionism refers to policies or doctrines which protect businesses and workers within a country by restricting or regulating trade with foreign nations.


en.wikipedia.org...

The term is mostly used in the context of economics, where protectionism refers to policies or doctrines which protect businesses and workers within a country by restricting or regulating trade with foreign nations.

Protectionist: an advocate of government economic protection for domestic producers through restrictions on foreign competitors

www.merriam-webster.com...

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Could someone tell me what is WRONG with Protectionism? What exactly is WRONG with protecting American wages? What exactly is WRONG with protecting our small businesses? What exactly is WRONG with protecting our manufacturing base? (which is all but gone BECAUSE of our trade policies) What exactly is WRONG with trying to correct our overly unbalanced import/export ratio?

ANYONE?

I'm willing to bet that most Americans are protectionists. I'm willing to bet that most Americans want to keep their standard of living. I'm willing to bet that most Americans want to protect their own jobs, wages, and benefits.

TARIFFS on imports is the ONLY THING that protects American workers wages. Tariffs keep prices high on imports...charging a tax on those companies that import products through slave labor...this offsets the savings they get by outsourcing jobs out of our country.

What would an increase in Tariffs do to help our country?

1. Tax Revenue.
2. Make it impossible for Transnational corporations to get by without paying taxes. If they want to sell...they have to pay...PERIOD.
3. Tariffs are used to increase the sale prices of items sold here. Why? So that American businesses can compete....so those businesses can continue to give us decent wages and benefits.
4. It protects our individuality and sovereignty as a nation.
5. It protects American manufacturing.
6. It protects our economy!
7. Yes, it will inflate prices on most everything....but inflation is coming regardless at this point. If we are going to actually tackle our problem with deficits, job losses, etc....THEN IT HAS TO BE DONE.

8. It makes people more prone to BUY AMERICAN.

We have an average of a 2-3 percent tariff on imports right now. China, for example, has a 20 percent tariff on it's imports. Our trade policies ARE DESTROYING THE MIDDLE CLASS!!! Our trade policies are DESTROYING YOUR STANDARD OF LIVING.

I've been called/named many thing son this website...Conservative, Libertarian, Progressive, Liberal, Socialist, etc.

At heart though, I'm really none of these things.

I'M A PROTECTIONIST. I stand for American workers and businesses.

Are you a protectionist?

Do you stand by the American workforce?





For every job you save by protecting wages in some area, you kill more than 1 job in other aspects of the economy.

You can prevent the import of steel and save American steel workers jobs, but the price of steel goes up and now every single car manufacturer has to pay more for steel.


The government can't create prosperity by preventing trade. Please learn this.



posted on Mar, 18 2010 @ 09:01 PM
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Yeah, that theory sounds good on paper, but for China it has been a pretty good deal, because by pegging their currency low on the dollar, they essentially create a tariff against U.S. and other foreign goods.

This is what has allowed China to grow its economy.



posted on Mar, 18 2010 @ 10:49 PM
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I think protectionism can be wrong, when you do things to unfairly give you an advantage. I would contend that China is the most protectionist country in the world. They have artifically manipulated the Yuan for wll over a decade now to the point where is it 40% less than is really should be. And the rest of the world is supposed to let them compete fairly with a country doing that?

To react to such trade practices and call that being protectionist is wrong IMO. I don't support Free trade, I support Fair trade only when all the countries play with the same rules. If a country doesn't play "fair" then by all means "protect" yourself by all means necessary. I for one won't shed a tear seeing fewer junk products coming from China.





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